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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ask me anything about my experience as a trans man who wholeheartedly defends women’s rights

243 replies

13J · 19/04/2025 16:42

I really didn’t know how to title this.
But I’ve replied to a couple of posts over the last few days regarding trans people and the SC ruling.

For those who haven’t seen my previous posts.

i’m in my mid 30s.
i transitioned at 18, started testosterone at 20 and had full top and bottom surgery at 25. I also hold a GRC. I am told I pass extremely well, and most people are quite surprised if they learn I’m trans after having known me a while.

HOWEVER,
As much as I believe that everyone’s right are important, I do not believe eradicating women’s rights in the name of trans rights is okay.

i do not believe single sex spaces should be invaded by the opposite sex, and that people should be made to feel uncomfortable in their safe spaces.

I KNOW you cannot change your sex. I know I have not changed my biological sex.

i know I have a surgically altered female body, not a male one.

i have been rejected by most trans people and in most trans inclusive spaces for disagreeing with the loud minority on these points.

I’ve been called transphobic on many occasions because of it,

And as I have become older, I have come to a deeper understanding that gender is nothing more than a social concept, and while I am happy in my life and the choices I made.
i am not sure I would make the same ones again if I knew then what I know now.

So I just wanted to open this post up and say if anyone would like to know anything further about what I’ve experienced or my personal beliefs. Then feel free to ask, I will answer as openly and honestly as possible and no topic is off limits.

i am speaking only for myself, not for other trans people, but I suspect that many of them feel this way, they are just afraid to voice it because of the backlash they’d receive.

OP posts:
13J · 20/04/2025 19:45

@ArabellaScott

In light of your recent post stating the change in Scot’s law regarding trans men and rape. Which is at it should be,

Are you saying you’re still comfortable sharing female facilities with trans men?

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VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 20:04

Hello OP! Thankyou for sharing everything with us. I hope you are really happy after everything you've been through 🖤

One of the main realities of us needing to have third spaces is to protect biological woman from the presence of biological males AND so trans people can feel safe. In the event of us actually receiving our third spaces, hypothetical but realistic situation: as someone who GC considers to be a biological woman (who also needs to be protected from males in their eyes) are you comfortable sharing a 3rd space with biological males (i e trans women)? I know you said you use male spaces, but I wondered if this puts a different spin on it somewhat for you?

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 20/04/2025 20:12

13J · 20/04/2025 19:43

@GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen

I don’t disagree with you or dispute your question.

To ‘be a man’ or ‘be a woman’ is interpreted differently by different people.

I was born female but I didn’t ‘feel’ the way I thought a woman should feel. That’s undoubtedly down partly to gender stereotypes and partly to my profound unhappiness.

If you ask another trans person why they didn’t feel like their birth sex theyll probably have their own interpretation.

Likewise, if I ask you what it feels like to be a woman, your answer may differ from that of the woman next to you.

In a perfect world, you’d be born how you were born, and you’d never question if you ‘felt’ like that sex because it wouldn’t be relevant to however they wanted to live their life

But whilst society chooses to dress baby girls in pink and boys in blue,
And women have to fight to get in to ‘male’ dominated jobs, and men’s and women’s sexuality is assumed if they don’t dress or act or be a certain way.

Then that’s not going to happen.

If people weren’t allowed to legally or surgically make changes to their body or gender, they’d have to live with it, or chose not to. And maybe then more effort would be put in to mental health

But people have been allowed to make legal and surgical changes

And the world still clings to stereotypes

So we just have to make the best of it unfortunately

Absolutely - if the TRAs had put 10th of the efforts they have put into trying to get men into women's spaces into breaking down gender stereotypes instead I suspect the world would be a very difficult place.
Like you I was a girl who was frankly rubbish at 'girling' - I loved sports, I wore practical comfortable clothes, I had short hair etc. I didn't have the abusive childhood or parents who fought against my choices but I guess if I was a teen today instead of a middle-age woman I could very well have fallen into the clutches of the trans ideology.
I continue to have lots of stereotypically male hobbies and interests but have found my 'inner woman' later in life and also enjoy lots of of more typically female pursuits (but my preferred seat at knit and natter is next to the token man and we talk sport and cars).
I want to see a world where my son isn't bullied for his long hair and my daughter isn't called a lesbian for loving sport but the gendering of stuff seems worse than ever.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 20/04/2025 20:16

Oh and I chose to dress both boy and girl in lime green, purple, orange, red, yellow etc. all the baby clothes were used for both babies and all toys were for either.

13J · 20/04/2025 20:22

@VanishingVision
It’s a complex issue I think.

Whilst there are ‘male’ and ‘female’ spaces, my mind will feel I belong in the male, my biological body will state I belong in the female

So whichever I choose someone will feel I’m in the wrong place.

Mentally I wouldn’t feel comfortable in a women’s space, whether I’m legally allowed there or not.

Whilst there may be a risk to me in a male space, only I am aware of that risk.

When I walk in I don’t have a big sign on my head letting all the men know I’m trans, and as I’ve said, for me personally people can’t usually ‘tell’.

In a third space,
If it is a space that is shared with others, whether male, female, or trans, there will be a risk.

If specific ‘trans’ spaces are available,
Then yes, I would feel at a greater risk. Not from genuine trans women, but from the same men that women feel at risk from.

Those who will self ID to gain access to the vulnerable,
They WILL know I’m trans, because if I wasn’t, I would be in the men’s.

The only real solution that puts nobody at risk is indivisible spaces, similar to disabled facilities that either males or females can use but privately.

but how feasible that is to create, is another matter.

OP posts:
GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 20/04/2025 20:28

13J · 20/04/2025 20:22

@VanishingVision
It’s a complex issue I think.

Whilst there are ‘male’ and ‘female’ spaces, my mind will feel I belong in the male, my biological body will state I belong in the female

So whichever I choose someone will feel I’m in the wrong place.

Mentally I wouldn’t feel comfortable in a women’s space, whether I’m legally allowed there or not.

Whilst there may be a risk to me in a male space, only I am aware of that risk.

When I walk in I don’t have a big sign on my head letting all the men know I’m trans, and as I’ve said, for me personally people can’t usually ‘tell’.

In a third space,
If it is a space that is shared with others, whether male, female, or trans, there will be a risk.

If specific ‘trans’ spaces are available,
Then yes, I would feel at a greater risk. Not from genuine trans women, but from the same men that women feel at risk from.

Those who will self ID to gain access to the vulnerable,
They WILL know I’m trans, because if I wasn’t, I would be in the men’s.

The only real solution that puts nobody at risk is indivisible spaces, similar to disabled facilities that either males or females can use but privately.

but how feasible that is to create, is another matter.

Ideally we would have single sex and unisex loos. Unisex rather than 'trans' because it doesn't out anyone who passes, it would be great for parents with opposite sex kids etc. but it still gives a single sex spaces for those who want or need them.

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 21:04

13J · 20/04/2025 20:22

@VanishingVision
It’s a complex issue I think.

Whilst there are ‘male’ and ‘female’ spaces, my mind will feel I belong in the male, my biological body will state I belong in the female

So whichever I choose someone will feel I’m in the wrong place.

Mentally I wouldn’t feel comfortable in a women’s space, whether I’m legally allowed there or not.

Whilst there may be a risk to me in a male space, only I am aware of that risk.

When I walk in I don’t have a big sign on my head letting all the men know I’m trans, and as I’ve said, for me personally people can’t usually ‘tell’.

In a third space,
If it is a space that is shared with others, whether male, female, or trans, there will be a risk.

If specific ‘trans’ spaces are available,
Then yes, I would feel at a greater risk. Not from genuine trans women, but from the same men that women feel at risk from.

Those who will self ID to gain access to the vulnerable,
They WILL know I’m trans, because if I wasn’t, I would be in the men’s.

The only real solution that puts nobody at risk is indivisible spaces, similar to disabled facilities that either males or females can use but privately.

but how feasible that is to create, is another matter.

Thankyou for your answer! I would also share a little of that worry from potentially sharing space with AGPs. I've had some unwanted advances from some of your t4t type 'lesbians' which wasn't particularly pleasant. I'd like to think we could potentially now make it more difficult for AGPs to slip past the diagnosis but we can't do too much about those who self ID.

I guess we wouldn't realistically have 'trans' purely spaces, I think it would be private unisex/multi purposed facilities for a range of needs which still may or not out those of us who are able to pass or blend in to some extent. We could just want more privacy or hate people 🤣

DisappearingGirl · 20/04/2025 21:25

I think gender neutral (i.e. mixed sex) spaces would legally have to have floor to ceiling enclosed cubicles. So maybe that would solve this problem?

13J · 20/04/2025 21:33

@DisappearingGirl Definitely
but in most places they’d have to remove some or all of the single sex facilities to make way for neutral ones, and there will always be people who don’t feel comfortable outside of a single sex option.

Space is usually cited as the reason for the lack of adequate disabled facilities so I imagine it’ll be why most places will say they can’t have a third space.

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ArabellaScott · 20/04/2025 21:35

DisappearingGirl · 20/04/2025 21:25

I think gender neutral (i.e. mixed sex) spaces would legally have to have floor to ceiling enclosed cubicles. So maybe that would solve this problem?

It might solve some, but also creates others. A gap means people can be helped if they collapse, for example.

BobbyBiscuits · 20/04/2025 22:11

13J · 20/04/2025 19:43

@GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen

I don’t disagree with you or dispute your question.

To ‘be a man’ or ‘be a woman’ is interpreted differently by different people.

I was born female but I didn’t ‘feel’ the way I thought a woman should feel. That’s undoubtedly down partly to gender stereotypes and partly to my profound unhappiness.

If you ask another trans person why they didn’t feel like their birth sex theyll probably have their own interpretation.

Likewise, if I ask you what it feels like to be a woman, your answer may differ from that of the woman next to you.

In a perfect world, you’d be born how you were born, and you’d never question if you ‘felt’ like that sex because it wouldn’t be relevant to however they wanted to live their life

But whilst society chooses to dress baby girls in pink and boys in blue,
And women have to fight to get in to ‘male’ dominated jobs, and men’s and women’s sexuality is assumed if they don’t dress or act or be a certain way.

Then that’s not going to happen.

If people weren’t allowed to legally or surgically make changes to their body or gender, they’d have to live with it, or chose not to. And maybe then more effort would be put in to mental health

But people have been allowed to make legal and surgical changes

And the world still clings to stereotypes

So we just have to make the best of it unfortunately

But how does it help to say that being a woman sucks so the solution is to become a man?
I know that's oversimplifying it but do you see how it could come off that way?

Do you think if you felt women were treated fairly and equally you'd be less likely to be trans?

I don't think that babies being dressed in pink or blue could make the person be less or more likely to be trans. Most parents allow their children to choose their own clothes as soon as they can vocalise what they like, or at least when they can physically dress themselves. That's from the people that I know anyway.

13J · 20/04/2025 22:24

@BobbyBiscuits
i didn’t say being a woman sucks tho
Nor did I say being a man is amazing and solves every issue of womanhood.
I said I didn’t feel like I was a woman
And that some of my understanding of what a woman is, and should feel like was based on my upbringing and on stereotypes surrounding the way man and women should behave and what they should and shouldn’t like.

of course dressing a baby in pink doesn’t mean they’re more likely to be trans, And it’s fantastic that the people you know let their children chose things irrespective of gender.

Not everyone does tho. My parents didn’t, and you can ask on any forum and you’ll have women telling you they were a ‘tomboy’ growing up, and what is a tomboy?
it’s a girl who doesn’t dress and act in the way the world thinks they should.

i can’t answer for others
I can’t say whether others would be less likely to transition if they felt woman were treated better in society, maybe they would, maybe not.

But if it were that simple, then trans women wouldn’t exist because why would they want to give themselves less equality?

For me,
Maybe if I’d been allowed to like what I liked without being told it was ‘for boys’ I wouldn’t have identified more with men.

Maybe if I hadn’t been abused I wouldn’t have hated my body

Maybe if I’d been born to different parents, or a in different time or place I would’ve made different choices.

But maybe I would’ve done exactly what I have done.

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BobbyBiscuits · 20/04/2025 22:51

13J · 20/04/2025 22:24

@BobbyBiscuits
i didn’t say being a woman sucks tho
Nor did I say being a man is amazing and solves every issue of womanhood.
I said I didn’t feel like I was a woman
And that some of my understanding of what a woman is, and should feel like was based on my upbringing and on stereotypes surrounding the way man and women should behave and what they should and shouldn’t like.

of course dressing a baby in pink doesn’t mean they’re more likely to be trans, And it’s fantastic that the people you know let their children chose things irrespective of gender.

Not everyone does tho. My parents didn’t, and you can ask on any forum and you’ll have women telling you they were a ‘tomboy’ growing up, and what is a tomboy?
it’s a girl who doesn’t dress and act in the way the world thinks they should.

i can’t answer for others
I can’t say whether others would be less likely to transition if they felt woman were treated better in society, maybe they would, maybe not.

But if it were that simple, then trans women wouldn’t exist because why would they want to give themselves less equality?

For me,
Maybe if I’d been allowed to like what I liked without being told it was ‘for boys’ I wouldn’t have identified more with men.

Maybe if I hadn’t been abused I wouldn’t have hated my body

Maybe if I’d been born to different parents, or a in different time or place I would’ve made different choices.

But maybe I would’ve done exactly what I have done.

Thank you.

I'm so sorry you were abused, that's terrible. I hope you have sought counselling if that would help with regards to your childhood.

I was a tomboy growing up. Regularly got confused for a boy until about 12. I was lucky in that I was allowed to wear and play with whatever I liked. So a mix of he-man, toy cars, teddies, Lego, Barbie, but mainly art related stuff so pens! I never wore dresses and had a short haircut.

I appreciate you coming on here and speaking so openly about your life and background. And I wish you the best x

FlakyCritic · 21/04/2025 05:31

OP as statistics and evidence prove, the vast overwhelming majority of girls who identify as men have a history of childhood sexual and/or physical abuse or some type of trauma, (as well as other comorbidities such as Autism) so are running away from their female abused body/self. Do you think if you weren't abused you wouldn't have hated your female self and tried to escape being female? That your issue is with how you have or haven't dealt with the abuse, not your gender identity itself?

anyolddinosaur · 21/04/2025 09:03

"You assumed I blamed my mother, which I did not say
She knew of, and I’d therefore responsible for the abuse I suffered, but I do not blame her for it. I blame the abuser.
You assumed my father chose to leave me in an abusive situation, without knowing why he left or what he was aware of.
You assumed I blames the women in my life and not the men."

Your father did not maintain sufficient contact with you after leaving to know that you were in an abusive situation and to help you escape from it. From the age of 15, possibly younger, it is likely the courts would have given him custody had you gone to him for help. Obviously I dont know why he left - neither do you. What people tell us about themselves and their motives is not invariably true.

Your mother, you say, knew of the abuse. So why didnt she encourage you to go to your father? Why didnt you get help from him? Was your sister also abused or was she the abuser? Did you disclose this to anyone and was their any attempt to help you or was your distress always said to be gender related?

Your anger comes over in your posts, that was not an assumption. You say she was "responsible for the abuse you suffered" - no, that was the abuser. Clearly you do blame her. She was responsible, as was your father, for leaving you in a position where you could be abused. She may have been responsible for keeping the abuser in your life, I cant know that, but both parents allowed the abuse to continue.

You have been extremely fortunate medically in your transition. 3 out of 4 who have phalloplasty have complications. The early menopause caused by hysterectomy causes a lot of complications. Estimates of the effects of double mastectomy vary - 40 to 60 percent of patients who undergo mastectomy suffer from chronic pain, pain lasting longer than three months, although this may be lower in those having double mastectomy for cosmetic reasons. This is why no sensible woman wants their child or their sister to transition.

You can read the stories on here and elsewhere from women whose daughters cut them off for failing to support their transition enthusiastically enough. they are desperate to reconnect. It is very unusual for a mother to cut off a child.

Spittykityy · 21/04/2025 20:14

OP thank you so much for coming on here and being so honest. I have the utmost respect for you. I wish every trans person was like you. Again, respect

Blackcat77 · 08/07/2025 13:23

I am interested if your experience on male hormones could give an insight on the nature or nuture arguement. Does being on male hormones make you behave more like a man? More confident, more aggressive, more assertive, less emotionally intelligent etc.? Additionally, do you think it damped any stereotypical female traits you may have had?

SassyPeer · 17/08/2025 17:33

Without feminism, we risk regressing to more troubling events from the past.

My son wrote this chapter about the Steppe invasion of Europe.
Numerous findings reported in the news support this.

Two families destroyed Europe: the ancestors of the proto-Celts and proto-Slavs. Another family, which adapted to the Bronze Age, gave rise to many of the Anglo-Saxons and others survived the invasion.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3088004/The-three-forefathers-Europe-Two-thirds-modern-European-men-descended-just-trio-Bronze-Age-leaders.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/20/dutch-invaders-stonehenge-ancient-britons?_sp=be7c7a4a-2634-4188-b2aa-991d2baa01d0.1495625611559

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/is-distinctive-dna-marker-proof-of-ancient-genocide-1.1426197

Chapter 13: R1 - Genociders and Conquerors

R1 was formed around 20,000 to 25,000 years ago, perhaps in Central Asia, and have deep ancestral roots to Southeast Asia and Eastern Eurasia and Northeast Asia. Several thousand years later, it split into R1a and R1b. Before the Younger Dryas flood there is not much known about R1 migration patterns. We do have non-Steppe Yamnaya R1b into Europe before the flood. With the lack of superior weapons or horses, there was no ability to dominate Europe, as later steppe populations did. Residing in higher terrain, these R1b1 males survived the flood. These could not be violent and genocidal because these early migrants had none of the later tools to successfully replace the male population of much of Europe since they had no superior Bronze Age weapons and had no domesticated horses for raids over 14000 years ago. The early R1b settlements into Central Europe were in the minority and weak and had to share and share alike the land. There was much to share.

R1b made early migrations to Europe before the Younger Dryas event.
Residing in higher terrain, these R1b1 males survived the flood. And
descendants are found in Mesolithic and Neolithic Baltic settlements
and Iron Gates settlements, living in relative peace with their
neighbors. The same is true in Bohemia for R1b-V88 males in Neolithic
Central Europe without superior strength, forced to dwell among many
various people of Europe [Dynamic changes in genomic and social
structures in third millennium BCE central Europe, Luka Papac et al,
2021; https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi6941]. These were
a non-Indo-European population of R1b in Europe. These lines could
have struggled to survive the latter violent steppe invasion from the
steppe Yamnaya.

Soon after the flood, R1b migrants from the north went into Africa via the Sinai or across the Red Sea. There they settled in the region of north-central Africa when the Sahara was green. North Africa and Central Africa could have been totally wiped clean by the flood, and new settlers were ready to colonize vacant land. These migrations eventually transformed many of Chad's tribes to have, on average, between 15 to 20% R1b, according to early studies in Chad.

The chapter on G men explained about how the ancestors of the Steppe raiders got the horse, from the idea of domestication by being traded or given domesticated cattle as gifts. For many tens of thousands of years, man hunted horses in Northern Eurasia, since Cro-Magnon. Ancestors of man since 500,000 years ago hunted the horse. Never did they domesticate and do wholesale riding of domesticated horses and bred domesticated horses. Only once given the idea of domestication of animals, in this case cattle, did the hut dwelling primitive population on the steppe realize they could domesticate animals, and so the steppe Sredny Stog culture tried it on horses and succeeded, as history has shown. From these steppe populations that later rode the horse did over 1/2 of European males descend from. From this group did originate the proto-IE of later slavic and celtic. They spread from the horse and violence.

As mentioned in the chapter on G men, in the Steppe Ukraine, there was many different groups, languages and races. Old Europe straddled into the openland of the beginning of the Steppe that stretched to Mongolia. There was a peace kept for thousands of years because those predisposed towards generational violence, as you will see in this chapter, were not given the means to commit wholesale genocide yet. Populations in the Middle East and Old Europe had copper and bronze tools and weapons first, yet did not descend to zero-sum barbarism.

About 1/5 of the global population is from R Steppe pastoralists; this occurred because of the male population replacement of Europe and the expansion of the Steppe population in South Asia. The population of Europe, pre-invasion, was filled with G farmers and I hunter-gatherers, many of whom had taken up farming and pastoralism from the G men. G men in the highly farmable central/southern half of Europe. And I-men dominating the northern half and residing in the southern half of Europe. After the invasion, Europe has not been the same since; Europe went barbarian Indo-European. Over 50% of Europe descended from only two Bronze Age leaders. Genghis Khan did not leave such a horrible record of conquest and rape in the fact that 16 million males today descend from paternal lines from Genghis Khan and family. The genocide spree of Genghis Khan of 40 million did not reach this slaughter and population replacement from the Steppe invaders over a 1000 years in Europe. In the chapter on G men, we learned G men taught pastoralism and domestication to the R1 steppe hunter-gatherers. This helped give them the idea of the domestication of horses, as previously mentioned. The Old Europe civilization also gave gifts and traded copper to the steppe hunter-gatherers. Likely from the Maykop, the Steppe Yamnaya got the technology for bronze. With their previous use of horses and weapons to destroy the Old Europe civilization for the first Homo sapiens genocide in Europe, steppe invaders with bronze weapons began the conquest, destruction, and genocide of Neolithic and Copper Age Europe, taking women and land and leaving death and genocide behind. R1a wiped out many of the Neolithic male population of Europe via the Corded Ware culture. R1b replaced the male population of Western Europe, hitting Central Europe first. The R1b Steppe invaders gradually became known as the Bell Beaker Culture, though there is evidence the specific pottery predates Steppe invasions. In Scandinavia, I2 were mostly replaced by successive waves of steppe invaders. I1 survived, partly due to their entry into the Bronze Age, partly due to their confidence and strength. This gave birth to Vikings, half barbarian/half civilized warriors that saw neighbors as us vs. them and lacked the morality to resist pillaging and raping that was done to them and was unheard in Europe pre-steppe invasion on such a vast total genocide wide scale. Scandinavia turned into a hellscape as much of Europe did with the Steppe Y-DNA R1 invaders. The Y-DNA I1 of Northern Europe did not know the world still survived inpeace outside of Europe, as their whole world went to hell by invading barbarians, with the strongest and most fierce among them surviving. Many of them witnessing their I2 European hunter gatherer brothers get replaced out of the history books.

The Baltic region was majority Y-DNA I before Bronze Age invaders using superior weapons killed the natives. After the invasion by genocidal Y-DNA Steppe barbarians, the Baltic region went 100% Steppe R1 according to the paper, “The genetic prehistory of the Baltic Sea region” by Alissa Mittnik et al 2015, replacing the native population, while pockets could be found to have survived, genetic evidence shows that in most regions of Europe, R1 steppe invaders replaced the male population, while the female lines continued in much larger numbers.

In
the paper, "Massive migration from the steppe is a source for
Indo-European languages in Europe." [Massive migration from the
steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe, Wolfgang
Haak et al, 2015; https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317] It
shows about a 75% population replacement of the native male lines in
Central Europe. After Central Europe, the steppe invaders moved into
modern-day France and the Netherlands. The native Neolithic G men and
I men were mostly wiped from the gene pool, and their females that
did not die defending their husbands and sons ended in the hands of
Steppe male invaders. It is clear that Steppe males had a policy of
excluding Neolithic European males from reproduction through violence
against the native females and violence against the native males,
resulting in the male lines being nearly wiped out. This was the
foundation of steppe derived Indo-European identity in Europe.

For the France Beaker era, the same story of male replacement. Y-DNA R1 was found in Beaker France, during the Bronze Age, among these studies:

The
Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe,
Iñigo Olalde et al, 2017;
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1
Large-scale
migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age, Nick
Patterson et al, 2021;
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04287-4
Ancient
genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic
history, Samantha Brunel et al, 2020;
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/20/1918034117

A rough estimate of 18/22 samples showing over 80% male population replaced in a combination of the above studies in Bronze Age France.

These studies provide data on Y-DNA R1 found in Beaker Britain during the Bronze Age at various sites in the British Isles:

The
Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe,
Iñigo Olalde et al, 2018;
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738
Large-scale
migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age, Nick
Patterson et al, 2021;
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04287-4
The
Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe,
Iñigo Olalde et al, 2017;
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1

A rough estimate of 35/37 samples were Steppe R1 during the Beaker Era of Britain. Nearly a 95% male replacement rate according to these samples. The Y-DNA G farmers and Y-DNA I native Europeans experienced a near total replacement in a genocide.

A research paper “Long-term hunter-gatherer continuity in the Rhine-Meuse region was disrupted by local formation of expansive Bell Beaker groups” by Olalde et al. 2025 compiled unpublished and published samples from the Mesolithic to Bronze Age Rhine-Meuse region and found over 90% of the pre-Steppe invasion populations were Haplogroup I. The remainder were pre-Younger Drys European populations of one C sample and two R1b-V88 non-Steppe samples that were present in Western and/or South Central Europe before the Younger Drys Event. These three samples were in addition to many dozens of I samples in the region before the Steppe invasion. After the barbarians on horse entered the region at the end of the Neolithic Period, a near total replacement of the male population ensued with 100% of the Beaker/bronze age samples being Steppe R1b - 12/12 or 13/13 samples - depending on the start of the period to tally. And several possible samples of neolithic native mtDNA women with the steppe-associated invader males (mtDNA K2b1a, H1a, H4a1a1a, T2b) to show the males were vastly replaced and the females were taken into the conquerors domain.

“Long-term
hunter-gatherer continuity in the Rhine-Meuse region was disrupted by
local formation of expansive Bell Beaker groups” by Olalde et al.
2025; https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.03.24.644985

Two genetic studies on the Bronze Age Unetice Culture. One study “Kinship practices at the early bronze age site of Leubingen in Central Germany” Penske et al (2024) had 25 Steppe R1 Samples and one (likely native) I2a2a. That is over 96% population replacement from the neolithic natives. Another study: “Tracing social mechanisms and interregional connections in Early Bronze Age Societies in Lower Austria” Furtwängler et al (2025) had 36 out of 40 Bronze Age Unetice Culture as Steppe R1, no V88s noted. That is a 90% replacement rate from a genocide. The Unterwölbinger Culture was shown to be 8/9 Steppe R1 steppe.

Tracing social
mechanisms and interregional connections in Early Bronze Age
Societies in Lower Austria”, Furtwängler et al (2025);
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.02.10.636471v1
“Kinship
practices at the early bronze age site of Leubingen in Central
Germany”, Penske et al (2024);
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54462-6

A rough estimate of 24/27 Bronze Age males in Spain were Steppe. Here are the sample studies:

A
western route of prehistoric human migration from Africa into the
Iberian Peninsula, G. González-Fortes et al, 2019;
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2018.2288
The
genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years,
Iñigo Olalde et al, 2019;
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
Large-scale
migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age, Nick
Patterson et al, 2021;
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04287-4
Four
millennia of Iberian biomolecular prehistory illustrate the impact of
prehistoric migrations at the far end of Eurasia, Cristina Valdiosera
et al, 2018; https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1717762115
The
Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe,
Iñigo Olalde et al, 2018;
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738

Showing nearly a 90% male population replacement in Iberia by the end of the Bronze Age. This is Death Camp level of replacement of the population prompting the headline from one study showing a total population replacement: “The invasion that wiped out every man from
Spain 4,500 years ago” (The invasion that wiped out every man from
Spain 4,500 years ago, Manuel Ansede, 2018;
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2018/10/03/inenglish/1538568010_930565.html). Finding: “40% of the genetic information and 100% of the Y chromosomes come from the migrants” It can be explained by exclusion of reproduction via bride stealing and threat of violence, or if resistance or the barbarians see you as a threat, that threat is eliminated. Again and again across most of Europe, the local women end in the invaders huts and the native male Y lineage almost completely wiped out of the gene pool. Neolithic and Copper Age Europe was not a story of hunter gatherers displaced to different hunting grounds, these were very large populations of farmers and herdsmen that were displaced off their land and left unable to reporduce by a hostile invader with superior weapons and the means to take land, possessions and women. For another group of invaders of the same period, such a task would have been impossible, yet the invaders had the means to raid, kill and steal with relative ease and that is what the anthropological evidence shows because of superior weapons and the horse, a population replacement by those only with the means to to do the deed.

To further prove that this was not climate change or a global flood that washed away the Is and the Gs to leave the Steppe population to take over Europe, a 100% European Neolithic woman was found in the dwelling of a Steppe male in Central Europe at the beginning of the Steppe invasion of Europe and displacement of the Neolithic male population. To find these smoking guns means this happened in thousands of other cases. Neolithic women were assaulted, and the Neolithic males were removed from breeding, either in violence against the males too or simply taking women in raiding parties. There is evidence of violence against Europeans from the Balkans to Western Europe by steppe barbarians. [The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe by Olalde et al. (2018)]

"Only toward the latest stages of the Neolithic (in Europe), the concept of specialized warriorhood slowly started to emerge. The perpetrators of violence might have become more clearly defined, while lethal raids and indiscriminate massacres still occurred, as multiple examples show (e.g., refs. (38, 70, and 71)). In the following Bronze Age, the face of conflict changed even further, to include specialized weapons of violence and large-scale battles likely fought by dedicated warriors (72)." [Conflict, violence, and warfare among early farmers in Northwestern Europe, Linda Fibiger et al, 2023]

The
2021 Papac et al. study on Corded Ware migrations in Bohemia found
abrupt cultural replacement and genetic turnover, which could be
linked to violent takeover
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi6941]. "Europe’s
prehistory oversaw dynamic and complex interactions of diverse
societies, hitherto unexplored at detailed regional scales. Studying
271 human genomes dated ~4900 to 1600 BCE from the European
heartland, Bohemia, we reveal unprecedented genetic changes and
social processes. Major migrations preceded the arrival of “steppe”
ancestry, and at ~2800 BCE, three genetically and culturally
differentiated groups coexisted. Corded Ware appeared by 2900 BCE,
were initially genetically diverse, did not derive all steppe
ancestry from known Yamnaya, and assimilated females of diverse
backgrounds. Both Corded Ware and Bell Beaker groups underwent
dynamic changes, involving sharp reductions and complete replacements
of Y-chromosomal diversity at ~2600 and ~2400 BCE". They mention
warfare in their interpretation, specifically "possibly due to
increased conflict between male-mediated patrilines. ". "Our
results suggest that the Y-lineage diversity in early CW males was
supplanted by a nonrandom process [selection, social structure, or
influx of nonlocal R1a-M417(xZ645) lineages] that drove the collapse
in Y-chromosomal diversity." [Dynamic changes in genomic and
social structures in third millennium BCE central Europe, Luka Papac
et al, 2021; https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi6941]

On
the taking of women from Neolithic males: "Furthermore, women
were not related to the men within the household, suggesting that men
stayed within their birth communities in this society, but women did
not." [Kinship-based social inequality in Bronze Age Europe,
Alissa Mittnik et al, 2019;
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aax6219] There was no
widespread survival of Neolithic males from taking Steppe women in
bride exchanges; this disposing of Neolithic women to Steppe invaders
was therefore not in the benefit of the Neolithic male population in
every way, which means these Neolithic women were taken in violence
or threat of violence. With violence happening to the woman for the
remainder of her existence. This clears the false notion that 100% of
ancient and prehistory man was bad and backward. There were racial
groups that were trying to build community and racial groups trying
to destroy community. It was not “there was genocide and abuse
equally dispursed”. There were certain groups that made it their
identity and way of carrying on their lines.

There was likely not enough bronze weapons to go around in the extremes of Europe, though horses could breed better than bronze weapons could be made. Often, horse raids using earlier stone/copper weapons could take land and women nearly as well as bronze weapons. "Fortifications and Warfare in the Neolithic/Chalcolithic Transition" Kristiansen et al. (2017) argues that the Corded Ware Culture (a Yamnaya-derived group) spread through militarized migration, as evidenced by fortified settlements and weapon-rich burials. Links the rise of warrior identities to steppe-derived groups displacing Neolithic communities. "It remains beyond question that the observed change in the gene pool must have involved the migration of people." The replacement of the native male lines of Neolithic Europe was due to the migration of the Steppe raiders on horse.

The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, Anthony synthesizes archaeological evidence of horse-based warfare and fortified sites during the Yamnaya expansion. Suggests Steppe groups used military advantages (e.g., horses, wheeled vehicles) to dominate Neolithic populations. [The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, David Anthony, 2007]. About two decades ago the archaeological sites proved violent conflict ended Neolithic Europe and Copper Age Europe. With many research papers since painting the genetic picture of the culprits and the victims of that population replacement.

The whole body of evidence paints the same picture of the genocide of Neolithic Europe by steppe invaders that replaced male lines throughout much of Europe for land and women, because the invaders had the means to accomplish this task with ease.

Here are summaries of several reports.

Genetic Replacement and Y-Chromosome Shifts
Haak et al. (2015): "Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe."
Found a ~75% genetic turnover in Central Europe during the Late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age, linked to Yamnaya-related migrations.
Y-chromosome lineages (male-inherited) shifted almost entirely to steppe-associated haplogroups (e.g., R1b), while mtDNA (female-inherited) retained more Neolithic diversity. This implies that incoming Yamnaya males largely replaced local Neolithic males, while Neolithic women were integrated into the new populations.

Sex-Biased Admixture in the Corded Ware Culture
Goldberg et al. (2017): "Ancient X chromosomes reveal contrasting sex bias in Neolithic and Bronze Age Eurasian migrations"
Analyzed X-chromosome data and found that Bronze Age migrations (e.g., Corded Ware) involved primarily male steppe descendants mixing with local Neolithic women. This created a stark asymmetry in ancestry, with steppe ancestry more pronounced on the Y chromosome than the X chromosome.

Patrilocal Societies and Female Integration
Mittnik et al. (2019): "Kinship-based social inequality in Bronze Age Europe"
Studied kinship in Early Bronze Age Germany and found that women often married into patrilocal groups, while male lineages remained steppe-derived. This supports a model where Neolithic women were assimilated into Yamnaya-descended groups, whereas local male lineages were marginalized.

Violence and Male Displacement
Anthony (2020): "Archaeology, Genetics, and Language in the Steppes: A Comment on Bomhard"
Discusses evidence of horse-based warfare and territorial conquests by Yamnaya groups, suggesting that Neolithic males may have faced higher mortality due to conflict, while women were incorporated as spouses.

Iberian Case Study
Olalde et al. (2019): "The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years."
In Iberia, the arrival of steppe ancestry correlated with a near-complete replacement of Y-chromosomes but continuity in mtDNA, reinforcing the pattern of male-driven migration and female assimilation.

The dominance of steppe-derived Y-chromosomes and persistence of Neolithic mtDNA suggest that Neolithic men experienced lower survival or reproductive success, possibly due to violent conflict, social practices and assimilation of women. Skeletal evidence of trauma in Neolithic males (e.g., mass graves) supports heightened mortality. Patrilocal and patriarchal Yamnaya societies may have excluded Neolithic males from reproduction. Neolithic women likely survived through integration into Yamnaya groups, contributing to mtDNA continuity. This aligns with practices of exogamy or captive-taking documented in anthropological studies.

While no single study explicitly quantifies "survival rates" of Neolithic males vs. Neolithic females, the cumulative genetic and archaeological evidence strongly supports a scenario where European Neolithic women had higher rates of assimilation into Yamnaya-descended populations, while Neolithic men faced displacement, violence, or exclusion from mating. Key mechanisms include male-biased migration, warfare, and patriarchal social structures. For further reading, consult the cited papers and broader literature on Bronze Age demographic shifts.

Now building the criminal case that it was violence, not disease, that ended many of the Neolithic men:

In a criminal inquiry and criminal case, there is the suspect, motive, scene of the crime, and weapon. Did the Steppe Yamnaya fill these suspect, motive, scene and weapon in displacing and replacing the native male population of Neolithic Western Europe and Spain.

Scene and Suspect: The Yamnaya people from the Pontic-Caspian steppe are the primary suspects in the demographic replacement of Neolithic males in Western Europe and Spain. The Steppe Yamnaya were at the scene of the replacement event. And took native European women in Spain and Western Europe, as revealed in the above studies mentioned. The arrival of Yamnaya-associated groups in Europe (circa 3000–2500 BCE) coincides with a dramatic genetic turnover, particularly in Y-chromosome lineages. The Corded Ware and Bell Beaker cultures, which spread across Central and Western Europe, are genetically linked to the Yamnaya and show evidence of steppe ancestry.

Weapon: The Steppe Yamnaya had superior Bronze Age weapons compared to the Neolithic Western European natives and Neolithic Spain natives. Also, the Steppe Yamnaya had horses, giving them the ability to overpower villagers in raids for land or women. The Yamnaya possessed advanced Bronze Age weaponry, including metal tools, axes, and daggers, which were superior to the stone tools of Neolithic Europeans. The Yamnaya were among the first to domesticate horses, giving them a significant military and logistical advantage. Horses enabled rapid mobility, raiding capabilities, and the ability to control large territories. Archaeological sites from this period show signs of increased warfare, including fortified settlements, mass graves, and skeletal trauma, particularly affecting Neolithic males.

Motive: The Steppe Yamnaya were likely polygamists, leaving many steppe males with the desire for females and the means to take some females from the local populations. Also, if it were a non-polygamous invasion, a near-total replacement of the male population and the genetic evidence that the women survived in much larger numbers and percentages than their native male counterparts helps prove there was the taking of the native females in Western Europe and Spain, aside from the invaders being highly polygamous or not, in taking many spouses or not. The near-total replacement of Neolithic Y-chromosomes during the Bronze Age and the survival of Neolithic mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) indicate that Yamnaya males integrated Neolithic women into their societies while displacing or killing Neolithic males. The Yamnaya were pastoralists who relied on grazing lands for their herds. Competition for land and resources could have driven violent conflicts with Neolithic agriculturalists.

Arguing against this forceful steppe invasion is the debate that since there was disease during the centuries during the steppe invasion, disease killed off most of the native men, leaving many native women alive. Arguing the Bronze Age Steppe invaders of Europe had better immunity against the disease/plague than the Neolithic and Copper Age Europeans. This "disease only" to blame for the replacement of the male population is false because of two reasons.

One: If the false argument that there was no violence and that "disease only" killed off the native males is true, then bride exchanges would explain the peaceful means by which steppe invaders got their women. This false assumption, if no immunity was passed to children of Neolithic local women and steppe males, the local mtDNA would have declined severely as the plague would have wiped out the local women's steppe children in a similar magnitude to the native and local Y-DNA depopulation that is blamed solely on disease and the plague by this false argument of "disease only". If there was no bride stealing and it was instead bride exchanges between steppe invaders and the local population, the neolithic males, in this false assumption of a more peaceful interaction, would in bride exchanges with the steppe invaders have had children with steppe females, giving the same innate immunity to their children that was given to the children of steppe males and local women that did survive. The false "disease only" and "peaceful interactions" argument rests on the idea that disease wiped out the male Y-DNA lines in a peaceful bride exchange scenario. Yet the mtDNA lines of the local women survived the plague or diseases that killed off about 90% or more of the local male lines in Netherlands, Britain and Spain. Thus, proving the group with horses and better weapons engaged in bride stealing and displacing the local male population. In summary, if disease were the sole factor, both male and female lineages would have been equally affected. However, the persistence of Neolithic mtDNA alongside the near-total replacement of Neolithic Y-chromosomes suggests a sex-biased process, consistent with violence and bride-stealing rather than a neutral disease event. If peaceful bride exchanges had occurred, we would expect to see some Neolithic Y-chromosomes surviving alongside neolithic mtDNA to similar percentages. The absence of Neolithic Y-chromosomes and the dominance of steppe Y-chromosomes point to the violent displacement of Neolithic males. In summary, if Neolithic women and their children with Yamnaya males had no immunity to local diseases, their mtDNA lines would have declined alongside Neolithic Y-chromosomes. The survival of Neolithic mtDNA suggests that disease was not the primary driver of male lineage replacement. If peaceful interactions (e.g., bride exchanges) had occurred, Neolithic males would have had children with Yamnaya women, passing on any Steppe immunity advantages. The tiny amounts of Neolithic Y-chromosomes in the genetic record contradicts this scenario.

Two: Looking at diseases in history, the plague would not kill off most males as the only reason why a male population was completely replaced or a near-total replacement of the male population, while the local female lines survived. The first reason why "disease only" fails is supported and enhanced by the second. Here is the second reason why "disease only" killed off most or all Neolithic and Copper Age males in Western Europe and Spain is false. Historically, diseases tended not to wipe out whole populations, leaving vacant land for invaders, especially with invaders that fit the suspect, scene, motive, and weapon, taking the land and many of the local women. Justinian's Plague is a case of a plague causing massive reductions in population. Did that wipe out the residents of the Eastern Roman Empire, leaving it to be invaded and leaving the Byzantine male population to be nearly replaced by Iranian or Arab invaders. Disease typically does not do this. I am trying to find another case in ancient history where a disease wipes out a male population during an invasion, leaving the native female population. While the native male population gets a near-total replacement by new invaders, those same invaders have absorbed the native female population into their own population. This disease-only argument seems to be a poor excuse invented because the descendants of the Indo-Europeans don't want their ancestors, their forefathers, to be labeled as violent invaders of Europe that were responsible for wiping out most of the local native population of Neolithic Western Europe, Spain and beyond. Another case is the Black Death. Europe survived the Black Death. Europe without modern medicine, with primitive medicine, survived the Black Death. Survived the plague. Europe recovered from the Black Death (1347–1351 CE) without a complete demographic replacement.

The near total replacement of the male population in Spain or the near-total replacement of the male population in Britain would not likely be from solely a plague or other disease. There have to be factors causing the male replacement and higher rates of female survival.

The Native Americans were hit with disease and conquest, and the locations where Europeans allowed Native Americans to continue living still have Native American paternal Y-DNA lines today, and the locations where Europeans expelled Native Americans to move them away into reservations no longer have significant Native American populations after being expelled from those locations. Smallpox causing the death of millions of Native Americans did not end the Native Americans. It was the choice of the European colonists that determined the fate of the Native Americans, not disease, though disease killed such a large percentage of Native Americans in many locations throughout the Americas. It was conquerors with superior weapons that took advantage of both the Native Americans unpreparedness for European diseases and took advantage of their own European superior strength in arms to have Europeans colonize the Americas. Disease alone cannot explain the loss of Native American land to the Europeans and European empires. Nor did smallpox totally wipe out the Native Americans from a specific vast region of the Americas. While diseases like smallpox decimated Native American populations, the ultimate displacement of Native Americans was driven by European colonization, warfare, and land expropriation, not disease alone.

I am arguing the only plausible reason for the replacement of the Neolithic male population of Western Europe and Neolithic Spain was the action of the steppe invaders to displace the male population and take some of the native women. Because if the standard was not bride exchanges, bride stealing is a sign of more violent or forceful invasion and contact. Bride stealing is the probable reason why Neolithic males were replaced by steppe males. Conflicts over women and land could have led to violent encounters over the centuries of gradual steppe invasions into Europe. Violence or superior strength led to the displacement of the male locals of Neolithic Western Europe and Spain.

The evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that the Yamnaya were responsible for the violent displacement of Neolithic males in Western Europe and Spain. The combination of superior weapons, horse-based mobility, and polygamous or bride-stealing practices created a scenario where Neolithic women were integrated into Yamnaya societies, while Neolithic males were marginalized or killed. Disease may have played a secondary role, but it cannot explain the sex-biased genetic patterns observed in the archaeological record.

The Yamnaya fit the profile of the "suspect" in this demographic replacement event, with motive (competition for land, resources and women), weapons (advanced technology and horses), and opportunity (military superiority). The "disease-only" hypothesis fails to account for the specific genetic and archaeological evidence, making it an inadequate explanation for the near-total replacement of Neolithic male lineages.

Further Reading
Haak et al. (2015): "Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe"
Goldberg et al. (2017): "Ancient X chromosomes reveal contrasting sex bias in Neolithic and Bronze Age Eurasian migrations"
Olalde et al. (2019): "The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years"
Anthony (2020): "Archaeology, Genetics, and Language in the Steppes: A Comment on Bomhard"

These studies provide robust evidence for the Yamnaya's role in the demographic and cultural transformation of Neolithic Europe. What happened to Old Europe in clear evidence of violence continued in the same actions undertaken against the rest of Europe. Thus this can never be explained away as solely disease or solely climate change.

Whereas Neolithic Europe faced wholesale genocide as a result of the Steppe Invasion, the Middle East also faced Steppe invasions; their existing Bronze Age civilization and Bronze Age tools made wiping out the population much more difficult. Civilizations, with farming, writing, trade, and later metalwork having sprung up in the Middle East, were an ancient goose that lays the golden eggs. Barbarians would not want to destroy such jewels; ruling over them was a more profitable venture. So the Mitanni, a likely R1 nation, and perhaps the Kassites, that could have been R1, sought to rule the Middle Eastern populations rather than exterminate them. Disease did not kill the Middle East populations; climate change did not kill the Middle East population. The Middle East survived because it was not only vastly more prepared to defend itself because the Bronze Age originated there; the Middle Eastern civilizations were a wealth creation for the rulers of the said civilizations. So there is ample reason to kill off most of the Neolithic males via violence or bride stealing to get land and women. And ample reason why the Middle East survived a limited number of steppe invasions.

Take the Steppe invasion into South Asia as another example. Here it was the combination of two. In ancient India and ancient parts of Pakistan, during the Indo-Aryan invasion, there was the appeal to both keep the wealth-creating civilization going by not exterminating the population, though the Indo-Aryans took the most women where the Indo-Aryans settled in North India. In the course of a many generations, a limited number of steppe invaders in Northern India went from 0 to 60% of the population by taking the women these self-imposed rulers wanted.

That R1 Indo-Europeans were genociders is scientifically conclusive; most of what I am writing, others can arrive at different conclusions; here it is definitive. It is not merely possible or likely; it is science proving this genocide took place. Next is their descendants seeking to whitewash this true history, blaming it on climate change and disease. It happened immediately after the research papers were published confirming Indo-Europeans are uncivilized barbarians that stole European land and women.

Central Europe – over 75% population replacement of males based on available studies -
Britain - over 90% population replacement of males based on available studies -
Spain - near 90% population replacement of males based on available studies -
France - over 80% population replacement of males based on available studies -
Netherlands - near 100% population replacement of males based on available studies -
West Germany - over 90% population replacement of males based on available studies -
Baltic nations - near 100% population replacement of Neolithic males by the end of the Bronze Age based on available studies -

The
study, "Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar, and conquering
Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5] showed 2/3 of
Huns in modern-day Hungary during the Hunnic period were R1. R1 are
natural barbarians. Attila the Hun was surrounded by R1 Hunnic
soldiers. On the elite Huns, a 2018 study (Neparáczki et al.)
analyzed remains from elite Hun graves in Hungary showed several with
R1a and R1b.

Elite
barbarian Xiongnu males show genetic ties to primarily West Eurasian
(R1a) and secondarily Siberian (Q1a) populations in the 2020 Study (A
Dynamic 6,000-Year Genetic History of Eurasia’s Eastern Steppe -
Jeong et al.;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420313210)
Siberian and Mongol Xiongnu were barbarians with Steppe R1 barbarian
leaders leading a Siberian and Mongolian population to raid, kill,
and pillage. The Great Wall of China was constructed to keep these
barbarians out. As the Indo-Europeans were to Europe, the
Indo-Iranians were to the Middle East, the Indo-Aryans were to South
Asia, and the "Elite R1 dominated Xiongnu" were to East
Asia, trying to Indo-fy East Asia, despite the common Xiongnu tribes
being perhaps Mongolian or Turkic. China and the Middle East resisted
the steppe invaders. South Asia and Europe are still under their
yoke. Why are the Middle East and China not over 60%
Indo-European/Aryan, the answer is because they were not genocided
nearly out of existence. Immigration and migration reduced Europe's
Indo-European population from about 80-90% to 50-60% over the
centuries.

The "New Scientist", a popular science magazine, featured an article on the Steppe Yamnaya titled "Story of the most murderous people of all time revealed in ancient DNA." With the subtitle "Starting 5000 years ago, the Yamnaya embarked on a violent conquest of Europe. Now genetic analysis tells their tale for the first time".

"The iconic sarsen stones at Stonehenge were erected some 4500 years ago. Although the monument’s original purpose is still disputed, we now know that within a few centuries it became a memorial to a vanished people. By then, almost every Briton, from the south coast of England to the northeast tip of Scotland, had been wiped out by incomers. It isn’t clear exactly why they disappeared so rapidly. But a picture of the people who replaced them is emerging.

The
migrants’ ultimate source was a group of livestock herders called
the Yamnaya who occupied the Eurasian steppe north of the Caucasus
mountains and Black Sea. Britain wasn’t their only destination.
Between 5000 and 4000 years ago, the Yamnaya and their descendants
colonized swathes of Europe, leaving a genetic legacy that persists
to this day. Their arrival coincided with profound social and
cultural changes. Burial practices shifted dramatically, a warrior
class appeared, and there seems to have been a sharp upsurge in
lethal violence. “I’ve become increasingly convinced there must
have been a kind of genocide,” says Kristian Kristiansen at the
University of Gothenburg, Sweden. As he and others piece together the
story, one question resounds: were the Yamnaya the most murderous
people in
history?"https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24132230-200-story-of-most-murderous-people-of-all-time-revealed-in-ancient-dna/]

The
steppe invasion of Europe was not a one-day event that can be
explained by climate change. A volcanic eruption in about 2900 BCE
could not cause 400 years later to have the native male population be
replaced in Spain and Britain with the native women with only Steppe
males. Volcanoes don't do that. The Steppe invasion spanned over 1000
years with signs of violence along the way. With signs of replacing
the male population along the way. With signs the native female
population ended assaulted by the invaders via bride-stealing raids
on horseback. It cannot be explained by a one event flood because the
neolithic and copper age male population was replaced over 100 years
as the steppe barbarians got in contacted with the various regions
and people. So there was no flood 6000 years ago, as there had to be
yearly global flood to wash away the neolithic and copper age
population of Europe to explain this by a flood. Neolithic Europe had
a bottleneck of male lines when farming started to explode in Europe.
The same thing happened in Asia. If not for farming and pastoralism,
the human global population would be in the millions, not billions.
However there was no near total population replacement by farmers,
more of a population explosion of select lines due to the near
endless children that combined farming and herding can sustain.
[There was a decline of male diversity when humans took to
agriculture, 2015;
https://theconversation.com/there-was-a-decline-of-male-diversity-when-humans-took-to-agriculture-38725].
The reason for the lack of male diversity is often those populations
that got humans to billions in population and not mere millions were
farmers and pastoralists. Meaning those farmer lines contributed to a
decline in male diversity by the sheer number of children they could
support with vast lasts of farms and livestock. When the Steppe
pastoralists took over Europe, Europe was already claimed by farmers
and pastoralists. And the woods often had hunter-gatherers. First
farmers explode in population because of the free land to grow and
herd. Europe was farming for thousands of years before the genetic
replacement of the Early European Farmer males with Bronze Age Steppe
populations via violence and rape.

The Neolithic Europeans had weapons for conflict, as evident in earlier sporadic violence at various sites around Europe. These conflicts were typically over land and resources with deaths both to the newer farmers and older hunter gatherers. These conflicts did not end in the genocide of either group. These weapons to defend their land and possessions would likely have been present during the late Neolithic period when the Steppe barbarians with superior weapons and on horse replaced the male population of Europe. The founders of European civilization during the Neolithic and Copper Age Europe were nearly wiped out and replaced with hut dwelling barbarian Aryan Indo-Europeans. Western Civilization had to re-emerge from the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean with the predominantly Ionian Greeks restarting Western Civilization for Europe. Caucasians started civilization twice in Europe. First the Early European Farmers, the G-men Caucasians, started European Civilization. Then it was genocided out of existence. Then G-men along with J Caucasians restarted Western Civilization in Greece from the G and J dominant Ionian Greeks beginning with the Minoans and later with Athens/Ionian Greek people.

Continental Europe would have been hit with successive waves of raiders on horseback, barbarians pillaging farms and villages for females and stealing land for their livestock. While horses did cross into Britain, Norway, and Sweden, it was not as easy as moving across continental Europe for successive raids. Also, the abundance of supplies of copper and bronze in the interior of Europe could have had their supplies line wane further north. With fewer horses and less metal available, the magnitude of steppe abilities would have been present in the north, though not as severe in continental Europe. The I1 males in Scandinavia eventually entered the Bronze Age. This could help explain why the native northern Europeans I1 were able to integrate more into Steppe lineages and tribes. It was not the same scenario that Neolithic Continental Europeans faced. The reason why I1 lines survived in Northern Europe could be they had similar weapons technology that the Steppe invaders had and could show themselves stronger than that threat, forcing the invader to make a compromise to eventually merge tribes, forming many of the Germanic tribes.

On the issue of global cooling causing the male population to have 90% replacement rate, there is the case of the Little Ice Age coupled with the Black Death in the 14th century did not cause the male population to be replaced in the 14th century. The Little Ice Age caused crop failures and the poor died in close percentages as the well fed rich from the black death. The years of the Steppe invasion were distinctly warmer than the coldest years of the Maunder Minimum and Little Ice Age in Europe, and farms still sustained the populations during the Little Ice Age in Europe. Europe during this invasion millennia was leaving the Holocene Climatic Optimum, except the genocide of Old Europe in the Balkans happened well before moderate cooling from the warm period—Holocene Climatic Optimum. The fact that there was farming so far north into Europe during warmer years proves that farming in the middle to southern parts of Europe could be sustained in moderate cooling periods. You would expect farming in the extreme north of Europe to be affected by a one- or two-degree drop in temperature. However, if the colder north could support farming during warmer years, then Spain, after the Holocene Climatic Optimum, could too. Due to the widespread use of livestock for food, Neolithic Europe was strong against hunger. Ötzi the Iceman, of 3,300 BCE in Neolithic Europe, had his last meal of red deer meat and ibex fat along with cooked einkorn cereal grains. Showing the Neolithic Europeans not only farmed, raised livestock, and gathered, but they could easily hunt too. Europe provided Neolithic Europeans with an abundance of food to fish, hunt and gather, on top of the herded livestock and farmed crops.

As Mongolians celebrate their genocidal past. Modern Indo-Europeans engage in genocide denial to hide the guilt of their ancestors due to the loss of pride of barbarism from Indo-Europeans being in a Western Civilization started by J and G men from the Aegean that preach ethics and morality as leadership qualities. If the barbarian Rs were stuck in their barbarian tribes and barbarian anti-culture, the Haplogroup R Indo-Europeans would celebrate the genocide by their forefathers as barbarian R Turks still do today in celebrating their horse riding Turks raiding and pillaging, and stealing land and women. It is because Indo-Europeans desire no loss of standing in a civilized society based on non-R Caucasian Greek Western Civilization that Rs engage in genocide denial of their past. Mongolian Cs and Turkic Rs have no such limitations and celebrate the barbarism of their ancestors and identity as Mongols celebrate Genghis Khan and anything entailing the Mongol invasions as their pride and culture.

The Beaker phenomenon and the genomic transformation of northwest Europe - Nature

Genome-wide data from 400 individuals indicate that the initial spread of the Beaker archaeological complex between Iberia and central Europe was propelled by cultural diffusion, but that its spread into Britain involved a large-scale migration that pe...

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738?error=cookies_not_supported&code=ee5a2b77-e1bc-40cb-b49b-f40cf2d68b06

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