Is “I welcome the SC judgment but”

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

The new “I’m as GC as they come but”?

sooooo much of this around at the moment

@CurlewKate I feel sorry for those vulnerable and young people who have been manipulated this ideology.

What about the biological women who faced the risk of being attacked in the single sex toilets by biological men in dresses? No sympathy for them?

Aggressive blokes who like attacking people in public lavatories will be so happy. They've just been waiting for the nod from gender critical feminists. Since 2010. Because they like to be in line with court rulings , you know.

You seem to have taken a wrong turn and posted this on a mum’s forum. I suggest you put your point to the aggressive men on Blokesnet

edited to add - or possibly take it up with Stonewall that took all the public money and didnt lobby for safe facilities for trans people

What are you on about?

It's sarcasm...

Pp has claimed the ruling will embolden those who would attack transwomen. @Abhannmor is, I believe, using sarcasm to point out that men willing to attack women/transwomen/anyone else don't actually require embolding and that the ruling will make no difference.

@Abhannmor please correct me if I have misinterpreted you.

cut the boring and, frankly, revolting ageism.

women of 50+ grew up in the 70s and 80s. they are generally a lot more open and diverse/integrated than many of the younger generations who are often intolerant of any views that don't 100% track their own.

I actually reported that to MNHQ as ageism and sexism but it still stands
To be fair I imagine they have been very very busy the last couple of days deleting things

can we tease out why you think this? is it because you think the ruling means that they won't have competition to enter women's toilets from other men?

Because what this ruling means is that, once again thank goodness, any woman who encounters a man in a women's space can ask him to leave, and if necessary involve security or the police as appropriate without worrying that she will be the one to be prosecuted. And this is because the law (as it always should have been) is very clear on this point. women's spaces are for women, and women in law are those who were born women (all the etc etc about XX chromosomes)

So why do you think men will be celebrating this?

Gender Critical = critical of gender stereotypes. We 2nd wavers thought we'd broken the back of that one, but thanks to the 4th wavers/laddette culture we're back where we started.

unlike when transphbia is reported, you are told to counter it in the thread

it is fucking infuriating

@Abhannmor please come back and explain sarcasm.

Must feel like a right kick in the balls.

Actually "women of a certain age" as you put it, are used to seeing men looking like women. It was part of the music scene from as far back as I can remember (early 70's), right up until now. The difference is they (and the men who copied their dress code), didn't pretend to be women and didn't expect anyone else to either.

@HoppinggreenAgeism is practically never deleted.

@Micaela64Have you ever heard of David Bowie?

I immediately reacted to this as 'funny', the sarcasm was obvious to me and I thought it was clever. It was sarcastic, wasn't it, Abhann?

I think it has been established, though, that sarcasm doesn't travel well here, some posters don't get sarcasm because it is a hidden meaning which is problematic for them, and some posters just don't see it as funny.

There has been a call for a 'sarcasm alert' emoji - I often put in a grin
to make assurance doubly sure that nobody thinks I'm being literally literal!

edited to add that 🙄would also work well as a sarcasm alert.

also edited to add that I've just worked out that ETA at the end of a post means...... edited to add! Yes, it has taken me this long..

I often wonder what these Bright Young Things will do when they realise they have now reached the age they declared as walking dead with nothing left useful to offer. I suspect either a major existential crisis or a radical shift in views.

Yes, horrible ageism and sexism.

I think you're Irish too @MarieDeGournay ?

Maybe it's an Irish humour thing because that was my immediate reaction too. It would not have dawned on me that it was anything other than sarcasm.

I was actually banned from MN for a sarcastic comment on a Tommy Robinson thread for being "racist"
I appealed as it was pretty obvious (I thought) I was being sarccy and they let me come back but since then I have been very very careful about using sarcasm to make a point, possibly to the extent I miss it in other peoples posts

I recognise @Abhannmor username so I am confident he's being sarcastic.

Tá an ceart agat, is Eireannach mé
You have a point, we come from a Hiberno-English linguistic environment where one of the most emphatic ways of telling someone that you definitely and absolutely refuse to do something they have asked you to do is :
'I will, yeah!'.
It's all in the intonation and facial expression😏

And the Irish/Gaeilge language famously has no words for 'yes' or 'no'..

Circumlocutions'r'us😃

And what about biological women who have been attacked and felt worried and scared? They just collateral damage to biological males feelings I guess.

id be worried too if I was a minority with all the media and discussion focused on how at risk and in danger I was.

if you feel strongly campaign for third spaces don’t disadvantage women

Indeed. I lived through the swinging sixties as a teenager and young adult and it was wonderfully gender-nonconforming and liberating. No internet or social media, of course, which meant we actually had to live in the real world, not a self-chosen online echo chamber.

So you agree that male people are the problem?

It’s not even “why is it ok to do this to women and not men?” If we were doing to men what was done to women they would be loosing their single sex spaces and rights to intimate care for their sex etc etc etc. it’s not even close to the same thing and we should remember that