Is “I welcome the SC judgment but”

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

The new “I’m as GC as they come but”?

sooooo much of this around at the moment

I did like that Ross said towards the end that it is men's sport that needs to be more inclusive and women's sports need to be protected.

But he sounded utterly unconvinced that this would happen.

You ain’t no feminist bro.

Are there any figures on who perpetrates the abuse and attacks on trans women?

Can I guess that it’s men. Male violence on a group of people that don’t fit the gender binary of masculine. Making trans women safe requires the behaviour of men to change. Not women.

They didn't have those rights previously. Numerous organisations did let them use the spaces in contravention of the law, but that's not the same as transgender males having had the "right" to use women-only spaces.

Mostly men and verbal abuse from women of a certain age (50+) who tend to be less progressive and more set in their ways compared to the younger generation who tend to leave them be.

When you say "verbal abuse from women of a certain age", what do you mean by abuse? I struggle to imagine too many women "of a certain age" verbally abusing men, regardless of identity, as it's really not a safe thing to do. However, I can well imagine women of "a certain age" telling men, regardless of identity, to get out of the women's toilet/changing room/etc.

Can you give specific examples of the verbal abuse please? I’ve seen lots of verbal abuse against women on the trans boards at Reddit when I’ve visited to try to educate myself. Or placards saying de-capitate TERFs etc But not much here…

edited to add - younger women have had the benefit of growing up in a climate where make harassment of women has been subdued in some ways. My daughter is 14 and hasn’t been sexually assaulted yet which is brilliant. My first assault was age 9. Your saying older women arent progressive is misplaced - we’ve seen how it was and don’t want things to go back to how they were. My mum had to have a male family member sign off on her getting a bank account - in the 1980s. Our age group fear losing what we have gained. Younger people take those rights more for granted

There are plenty of progressive women under 50 who know what a biological female is. Assuming they’re all just old & “less progressive” is a tell on you, and it’s not helping you process what’s actually happened with this pushback or why.

Verbal abuse - defining truth against a metric formerly known as reality

There are no trans sisters - sisters are female

Of course there are trans sisters. Transmen are female.

Are you being deliberately goady, speaking as a woman of a certain age.

you got anything to back that up chicken?

No.

Unless “verbal abuse” = robust but respectful/factual discussion of course. But unfortunately thats not what adults define as abuse

agree if you mean those who were female at birth. I took the comment trans sisters to be those males who were now saying they were to be female. It’s an odd world we live in when something so simple is so easily misinterpreted

100%.

No.

I think that is exactly what the poster meant. Funnily enough he/she did not seem terribly bothered by impact on transmen.

It's self obsessed, navel gazing nonsense. It's the kind of thing that 10 years ago that would have manifested itself in 'not like other girls' teenagers as an intense fanship of a very niche old rock group while being very dismissive of someone who liked mainstream music.

'I'm not like everyone else, I'm unique'.

Unfortunately for them, it's not unique any more. Which is why it's now manifesting itself as pansexual and the like.

Nonsense. If trans women were women, then we'd have seen some actual empathy when rapists were housed in women's prisons or women were getting death threats for raising concerns. Instead, there was nothing but glee and denial.
I've lost patience with all this. Anyone 'scared' by this ruling needs a serious reality check. Women's rights arent a scary concept.
This entire mess isn't close to going away. There are still a lot of things to sort out.
If trans women want to find away forward, then they need to start treating women with basic human decency and begin discussing the issue like rational adults instead of having full blown tantrums at women saying 'no'. Hyperbole gets them nowhere.

They still have the rights that belong to trans-identified people, as the judgment makes clear. What they don't have are the rights that belong to women - adult female humans. They can't use the same spaces they did, because those spaces aren't, and never were, meant for them.

These men had absolutely no problem with removing rights from women - I'm not certain why women are supposed to be concerned about the men feeling they are losing privileges that they didn't actually have in law as it turns out, but were used to?

Why is it ok to do this to women, but not to men?

Attacked by who, exactly? Are you worried that it's mobs of biological women who will be chasing vulnerable transwomen into men's toilets and attacking them?

Or are you saying that the risk to transwomen is actually from men? So transwomen should be entitled to safeguarding from male violence?

Oh, wait.

The allegation of bigotry and phobia against those who agree with single sex spaces and take a view that biology is fact especially following the SC judgement show that those those directing the insults have lost their argument

I see absolutely nothing wrong with having sympathy for people who are going to find this ruling worrying and sad. Many, particularly young people, have been misled and damaged by the vocal extremists.