Is “I welcome the SC judgment but”

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

The new “I’m as GC as they come but”?

sooooo much of this around at the moment

Is there really such a thing as non binary - I don’t get it!

"Empathy". The new "be kind".

Here is the video of evidence - the relevant section is quite long but explains the difficulties with Gender self-ID and the conflict with the Equality Act (also understood by Rishi Sunak when this legislation was later blocked):

See from 23m11s

I welcome the SC ruling but it should have been done earlier. I am GC but I can see why people are angry if they’ve been deluded enough to live as though their beliefs are legal and had popular support for years.

The solution should have always been third spaces and not been dependent on someone like JKR funding a legal defence.

Who is 'you lot'?

And don't call me cis!

@Micaela64

I agree and actually hope that this ruling will actually help Transpeople and/or confused (and probably autistic) children.
Now that they CANNOT identify out of their sex maybe they will find a better way to navigate their feelings and issues than changing their names, cutting bits off their bodies and taking potentially dangerous drugs.
The ruling should also stop the harmful actions of the "Gender reassignment" industry who sell this dream to vulnerable people for purely financial reasons.
The people having over the top dramas on TikTok telling young Trans people this is akin to murder are the dangerous ones who are a real threat to them, not this ruling.

Hard to be a feminist if you think that being a woman is a feeling that can swell in the heart of any bloke

I'm way past any 'empathy' for men who gave none to women.

Women took legal action, as is their right, and the Supreme Court has clarified what the law has always been, it's as simple as that.

It's not women's fault that human beings can't change sex.
It's not women's fault that laws are based on fact, not fantasy.
It's not women's fault that we need spaces away from men.
It's not women's fault that some men are a risk to other men.

''Your lot'' have treated women appallingly. Had them unlawfully sacked, discriminated against them, sent the police to their doors, bullied, harassed, threatened, assaulted. Women in prison have been caged with fucking rapists because of transgender ideology, have been sexually assaulted on women's hospital wards, men have taken jobs reserved for women, treated rape survivors who needed female-only spaces with utter contempt, stolen sports medals and achievements from women and girls, completely colonised women's rights with backing from just about everyone - and you're here with sad eyes to tell us that WE are marginalising them?! That we are the problem, for saying no? That WE aren't being nice enough?

The fucking cheek of it.

Where’s the concern for non binary and trans brothers? Why isn’t anyone discussing what they think ? I’ve never seen anyone explain why mens spaces are safe for transmen.

I have enormous sympathy for those young people who have been fed this nonsense, and enormous anger and contempt for all who have stood on the sidelines cheering on the removal of the healthy breasts of ND teenage girls, the prescription of PB to children and the rape and death threats issued to those of us who understand biological facts, and how it is material to the lives of women. And all so they can be seen as progressive and cool and on the right side of history, apparently.

However, I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for predatory men with AGP who wish to access women’s spaces in order to rape, abuse and humiliate women.

Meh. Let them. 🤷‍♀️

Trans people have been sold a lie by stonewall and the like, their anger should be directed at the organisations that should have been campaigning for third places in the first place. So much time and money has been wasted by people trying to change the laws of reality, it's a disgrace. Being upset about the ruling is fair enough, but blaming women, especially feminists who have been saying all of this right from the beginning is ridiculous.

Genuinely, what is there to be ‘scared’ of?

well they should have thought about that before they allowed the TRAs to besmirch their good name and trash their reputation.

Right now i have little sympathy for them. Going forward, i think things will settle down.

they were using them when they shouldn't have been. No rights have been taken away from trans people.

The fact that orgs like Stonewall bamboozled so many organisations/individuals into believing that Stonewall-law was actual law is precisely why the clarification was needed.

Again: they have all the rights they had before. And now women know that when women's rights are encroached upon, and we complain: we are right (we always were) and have the unequivocal backing of the law.

It is understandable that they are scared when some people are online and on tv scaremongering about the ruling and what they means. The judges were very clear that trans people have protections in law and can’t be discriminated against because of their gender reassignment. They may see practical changes in their lives like a rise in third spaces but they are the same people as they were a week ago and their friends and family don’t feel any different towards them because of this ruling.

Part of growing up is that there’s votes like these and nobody knows how things will develop. For example after the Brexit referendum, some people actually thought that all foreigners in the UK were going to be kicked out but that’s not what happened.

Men can’t be sisters.

There isn’t such a thing as non-binary. Or if there is, then everyone is non-binary on the basis that no one 100% fits all of the stereotypes associated with sex.

And given those stereotypes vary over time and geography, my first sentence sums it up.

What about the women who have been afraid of being attacked by men in OUR toilets? Our safety and dignity were sacrificed to keep men happy and no one gave a shit. I'll save my tears for the women at risk in prisons, unable to access rape support and denied medals in their own sports for the last few years.

I'm angry thinking about it to be honest.

Well maybe they should have campaigned a bit harder to keep predatory males out of women's spaces and cheating males out of women's sport.

Perhaps they could put some of the energy they've spent on harrassing women into campaigning for provision of third spaces like unisex loos.

The FWS judgement includes protection of the rights of trans men related to pregnancy. The Scottish government wanted to remove those. FWS protected even the women who want to be men

What you are describing is called catastrophising, and it’s a major component in anxiety disorders. Transpeople still have human rights because they are humans, and they have specific protections simply for being trans. Believing themselves to be victims because they can’t claim to biologically female unless they actually were born female is a sign they could use some compassionate CBT, not more help winding themselves up.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220725-catastrophising-how-toxic-thinking-can-lead-down-dark-path

Exactly this 💯

And just to add: the Labour Party and the unions massively betrayed women and I won't forget. They have a LOT of reverse ferreting to do to ever get my vote again.

Maybe the Greens will finally sort themselves out now too.