Is “I welcome the SC judgment but”

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

The new “I’m as GC as they come but”?

sooooo much of this around at the moment

It’s always the fault of women when men don’t get what they want isn’t it? Will no one think of the poor marginalised men? 😂

Yes, they look like some reputable news sources. That I’ve never heard of.

Are transowmen in the uk actually at a higher risk of harm than other men?
I mean I know it’s claimed but the evidence seems to be missing - obviously is terribly hard without data in this area but the only people pushing for data have been the GC crowd ( that autocorrected to glories - I nearly left it )

surey the transgender population would welcome data if ut would help their case ?

There’s obvs a tsunami of shite on TikTok etc - my Terfy teen is not happy with me - so she agrees with me about the facts but like with the Olympic boxer there’s a wall of shit misinformation, mostly with US non facts and figures that is doing its best to brainwash her.

‘Women’ with a penis are men.

How dare you uppity women want your rights under the equality act to be upheld. Don’t you know you’re just human shields and validation props for men?

if stonewall and all the other lobbying groups had put their considerable resources towards a solution for trans people which didn’t involve taking women’s stuff of us, they’d be further forward

yes transowmen face more risk than women

so does pretty well any random group of men

male plumbers are at higher risk of violence than women
men called Dave are at higher risk of violence than women

get over it - the violence ( both committed by and received by ) transwomen supports the case that these are NOT women at all

But we've always been told that men who want to attack women (or transwomen) will find a way to do it anyway?

So why would transwomen be safer in the women's loo?

There's now a really clear route to a discrimination claim where men who present as women are treated differently from other men. Court cases of this type have a great basis for success (and thats what the GLP and Stonewall should be doing). So where authorities are not keeping transwomen safe from male violence, or where companies dont promote or support transwomen in the way they would for men, they are discriminating against them. This actually gives hope to me that the endemic homophobia of this society among many others can be challenged.

Cases claiming discrimination where transwomen have been treated differently from women won't have a good chance of success. And that's right, because there are often good reasons why provision needs to be made for female people. It was always damaging to have such extraordinary attempts made to say that gender overrode sex, because it doesn't.

Sorry but wherever you stand on the legal and social ramifications of the supreme court judgement, you are absolutely wrong to blame women for the actions of men.

Please, put the blame where it belongs - with the millions of men that perpetrate the violent enforcement of the patriarchy through gender based violence.

Perhaps if men would stop raping and abusing others at such alarming rates neither biological women nor trans women would need to worry so much about having safe spaces to recover.

Interesting that there was no mention of transmen. It's almost like females, regardless of identity, are less important than males.

That Prison Policy blog you linked, @Micaela64 , relates to the USA, which is a completely different country to the UK. I only mention this as it seems to be "state the bleeding obvious" week. Policies and crime stats will be different for the USA, what with it being a different country and all that.

Perhaps @Micaela64 is referring to transmen with the term "trans sisters"?

That would make sense.

@Micaela64

Do you have any stats re transwomen being attacked by men in toilets? I would really like to see some, despite extensive searching I've not been able to find any. If you have a link you could post I would be really grateful.

They do have the same rights. All that has happened is that it has been clarified that they should not have been using spaces reserved for the opposite sex.

Ironically, isn’t that what women feared. Allowing men in women’s toilets, prisons etc because they’ve identified as a woman, puts women at risk.

Shame not also for women

Well that would make a change, as nothing else they say makes sense.

I think it would be more productive if you posed your questions elsewhere. Stonewall set themselves up as experts. They have taken millions in public money and have told lots of people and organisations a pack of lies about the law. Women have been trying to explain that this is not legal for years and it was explained to the Scottish Government that they were being cruel promising trans people things that would eventually be taken away - because it was unlawful. The cruel people are the ones who "nicely" told trans people what they wanted to hear rather than being "kind" and explaining how that wasn't possible. Mothers get this idea because we all have to deal with children who all want stuff that isn't good for them or possible all the time. Unfortunately Stonewall didn't think about that - they are the cruel ones - they have taken the money and run away - where are they now?

You mean like their sex?

So now hopefully transmen will not die because the medical records have scrubbed the fact they are female and are pregnant.

Yay! Bingo!

Women are responsible for what men do.

Of course we are.

How about we start treating men like adults who should take responsibility for their own behaviour and its consequences?

"If you enact amendments to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 that would change both the size and the profile of the group of people who can be granted a gender recognition certificate, what you will do in practice is create a class of people—which will be of unknown size and unknown characteristics—who have an expectation that, because the law recognises them as the opposite sex, they are entitled to be treated as the opposite sex by everyone around them, in all circumstances.

When they learn that that is not the case—that it is a wholly unrealistic expectation and is not going to happen—they are going to be disappointed and angry. The proposed change, which has—I am sure—been proposed with the very best of intentions, is capable of having, for the very people whom it is intended to help, consequences that are, in fact, positively cruel."

https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/official-report/search-what-was-said-in-parliament/chamber-and-committees/official-report/what-was-said-in-parliament/ehrcj-14-06-2022?meeting=13823&iob=125329
There is also a video of the hearing which I can't find but is on the scotgov website.

Please stop asserting this is women against trans people. Point your anger towards the people who have told lies

This is me sticking my head over the parapet. I welcome the judgement-but I don’t understand why that means I can’t also feel sympathy for the trans people, many of them very young, who have bought into the ideology who are,( I hope,) unnecessarily scared and upset by it.

So the TW are finally understanding what it ACTUALLY feels like to be a woman then

I completely agree