"Trans women ARE biological women"

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I see this argument and comment more and more the last few weeks and hugely over the last 3 days.

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k1tliv/trans_women_are_biological_women/

This statement, and the comments underneath it absolutely baffle me.

The approach, one that I am sure will only work with a minority of the people who said TWAW, is to undermine the definition of words, yet again, and deliberately cloud the water when it comes to speaking clearly and using terms that everyone agrees with

I have seen it said in more places than Reddit however, and by respected people

Its been lively discussion - I’ve enjoyed it 🙂

Ah, Schrodinger's TRA. Where they decide how serious they were about it depending on how badly they get destroyed. A 2025 genderist variation of "I knew all along, I was just testing you!"

Not lively - depressing.

It's depressing that people can come to mumsnet and think all the women here are feeble minded and uneducated.

It's depressing how many people in general are uneducated about biology and sex unless reddit or porn sites explain it.

I bet if you wanted a baby, kitten or a puppy you would know which sexes you would need to make it happen.

My god that reddit thread melted my brain. How are people so delusional? Is it poor education in schools or because of online echo chambers?

No I do believe it :) I also believe there is a patriarchy (based on gender) and we need equality for all.

Its interesting you believe I come from reddit which I’ve never been on. Says much more about you and your beliefs. I’m pretty normal and haven’t been on mumsnet long - is it a cult? 😐

Can we have that card checked please, I didn't hear Intersex called, I may have missed it, but you can't have house without that one. 😁

We need spaces away from the opposite biological sex. Whether you are male or female.

Tw are biological males and need to be in male spaces. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Exactly fuck that.

That's exactly what we fight against.

Women can be anything we want to be. We can't change sex though and we can't be male.

Its like a secret code here. Entertaining at least.

"I... haven’t been on mumsnet long"

You don't say.

I mentioned previously that it was obvious you hadn't been here long. You have brought up the same arguments from at least six years ago that were debunked at that time. These arguments came from reddit users which is why I mentioned the site.

As for being normal - I respectively disagree. Normal people do not say sex does not exist.

Not so secret, stick around you'll learn about it and so much more if you truly want to learn.

Oh he has no interest in learning, but damn he's been schooled!

I just find it hilarious that some blokes genuinely believe they pass as women. Oh for the confidence of a mediocre man!

Yes that's right. It's a super secret code with a public searchable archive 😂.

No, it's not a secret code. It's a conversation that has been going on very transparently entirely visible and public for many years that you arrogantly jumped into assuming you already knew all there could be to know so not bothering to do even the most cursory search to see if your great insights had maybe, just maybe, come up before.

Hence the jokes about you hitting every square on the Bingo card.

And there is your issue.

Female people need equity. They don't need to be treated as if they were male people which would be 'equality'.

No Helle you don't understand.

All we need to do is make sure Men and Women have an equal mix of male and female people and then we truly will have equality!!!

The female people will still be at the bottom of each group and the male at the top of course, but at the population level Men and Women will finally be perfectly equal and free of Patriachy!

Sure your insights are revolutionarily too 🙄

That’s the sort of thing people do when losing an argument - sneering and name calling. Original you are not 🤩

Oh my God, the Communist Party has welcomed the ruling and commended FWS. Can't wait for them to be accused of being far right!

Usually not, that is why I know to use the search before I decide whether they are worth sharing 😂

I'm quoting an absolutely blistering article by Kathleen Stock from UnHerd:

...another big problem for transactivist campaigners was the restricted arsenal of argumentative weapons at their disposal. They couldn’t rely on reason or evidence as these concepts are commonly understood, because no good arguments for transubstantiation by means of lip gloss existed. This left only three options: intellectual misdirection, emotional blackmail, and aggressively shaming opponents into silence.

The result of the first of these was fancy-sounding obfuscation about spectrums, social constructs, and the supposedly close relation between trans-identified and so-called intersex people. But this was only ever likely to work with the young or dull-witted, while cleverer minds watched and learned from the mistakes.

https://unherd.com/2025/04/how-women-won-the-gender-wars/

Do read it, it's good and very funny too.

The Communist Party of Great Britain has always been gender critical. Marxism totally recognises women as a discrete sex class.

..transubstantiation by means of lip gloss..."

Brilliant expression!