Reddit - TIMs and Periods

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Stumbled across this thread on Reddit. A load of TIMs sharing their experiences of having a period.

www.reddit.com/r/MtF/s/twwZf1AH3c

It just points to one of the fundamental problems with gender ideology - the brushing aside of women's reality.

Yes. The utter disrespect for women. You have to feel fully entitled (on a binary sexed basis) to own and redefine women to be able to play these games.

Colonialism.

Remove their language, crush their customs, take their resources, exclude and punish resistance.

In about 200 years witter a bit about being a bit sorry.

In all honesty at this point I have seen so many of this group expose their fetish/sexual connections to colonising and using women's bodies (and it is their bodies, no other part of the woman is of any interest or relevance) that I think Blanchard's long out of date. It's all sexual. I'm not bothered about unpicking the details of the psyche of the bloke who wants to coercively subordinate me and use my body, I just want him to go away.

It just points to one of the fundamental problems with gender ideology - the brushing aside of women's reality.

I think the fundamental problem with gender ideology isn't that it brushes aside women's reality. It's that it's just pure bollocks and it's men's reality either. It's just bullshit.

The fundamental problem is it's just not true.

It can only be sustained by lies. And once you tell a lie, you have to tell a bigger one to maintain that lie.

And so it spirals out of control.

Until it totally implodes on itself.

A lie can not maintain its own weight for long without collapsing.

FFS!

Yes, you're not wrong.

It was really in answer to a poster above who felt that these men were giving decent trans people a bad name.

I disagree with the entire sexist concept from start to finish, and therefore, to me, none of it is what you could calldecent

It used to be considered a form of body dismorphia disorder and recognised as a mental health issue it was treated the same as all other forms of body dismorphia such as anorexia and bulimia with cbt, talking therapy and group therapy. It was also recognised as a symptom of underlying trauma.
That was ofcourse until the TRAs successfully campaigned to have it removed from the DSM5 yet it still seems to be an issue that effects predominantly traumatised children but now it is also in alarming numbers amongst those children who are vulnerable to relentless propaganda.

@Datun yes I have definitely met gay men whose sexual preference was straight men (though I don't think it is always internalised homophobia - the idea of turning a straight man seems to be a source of arousal, though whether he's really straight if you can turn him is a whole other conversation). But whether or not this can strictly be defined as a fetish, the point is that it is sexually motivated. The discourse around this over the last few years has been tightly focussed on burying the sexual element and shaming women who point it out. And it has worked.

Unfortunately the 'decent trans person' who is the reason that some men should be permitted into women's spaces regardless of the impact on women is just the wedge used to get all men in. This isn't a theory, this was the premise of the GRA. And we've destruction tested it. If it's some men, if it's one man, then it's all men, and men cannot be trusted to handle this responsibly or in a way that does not subordinate or harm women.

Witness the whole theory of the 'slightly fraudulent, fully transitioned, lovely accountant' who is supposedly the reason that men with trans identities should be permitted in women's prisons, for fear of accidentally excluding this one deserving case. Women have been raped to enable this myth. If this man exists at all, no one's found him yet.

It's also rather like the attempt in court lately of 'the rape threats and death threads are just a bot, not the voice of actual men with trans identities'. Er, yes, many of those men have public identities and have stood in public places to say these things. They have gone on record proudly saying such things. And even if they hadn't, the easiest question to ask is 'where is the wave of outraged men with trans identities saying 'not in our name' and 'this is unacceptable and we do not support it'?

Totally. It's always the elephant in the room.

Although it is creeping into the conversation, here and there, very tentatively.

Someone had better tell the far-right that. I don't see any transphobes posting on Mumsnet, just women who want their single-sex stuff back.

Threadreader https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1908066933376721334.html

I suspect most of them are just constipated. Comes from living in Mum's basement, eating crap, and taking no exercise.

Their knowledge of women's anatomy is dire.

What Datun said.

Gosh yes, babystep, you've dragged up a memory for me to - I think the term used for men's fear of/jealousy of women's ability to reproduce new life was 'womb envy'.

It was a bit woo-ish for me, mother goddess and all that - just not my thing, but all this talk about transwomen 'having periods' is giving the concept of 'womb envy' a new lease of life!

There's a story that's part of Celtic mythology about a queen called Macha [Armagh/Ard Macha is named after her] who was forced by her husband to run a race against a horse [as a result of a bit of boasting, bet nothing can outrun my horse kinda guy-talk] although she was in labour. She won [natch] and then gave birth to twins. She then placed a curse on the warriors of Ulster that for nine generations, they would suffer nine days of incapacitating labour pains every year as punishment, which was a bit of a gift to their enemies in planning when to attack...

So if these TiMs really want to embrace femininity in all its glories, as a Celt I would be only too pleased to channel my legendary ancestor Macha and give them nine days of labour pains ... let's not be stingy, let's #bekind and say every month instead of every year

The labour pains would be in addition to their menstrual cramps of course, we mustn't deny them the full panoply of feminine experiences just because it's biologically impossible.. 😉

’body dysmorphia doesn’t extend to the lower part of my body’

I bet it fucking doesn’t.

Urgh that reminds me of the awful, awful guy who was doing a 'pregnancy' and planned to use a tens unit or something to have a 'stillbirth' - the sheer pathology of it is as disturbing as the absolute lack of capacity to either know or care how awful it was. Or it was meant to shock and disgust. Who knows, but largely the thinking being done was coming from an organ only males have.

Not to mention the utter lack of empathy for the utterly distraught mothers whose children are stillborn.

"What about women who never get periods?" is a common TRA "gotcha" that your choice of wording leaves you wide open to. I was trying to find a polite, soft, "nice-sounding" way of correcting you without coming across as hostile. Clearly, I came across as patronising instead. That wasn't my intent and I'm sorry for coming across that way.

And all the awful women in that group who enabled him to do it.

Yeah, that group is no safe place for women who need stillbirth support.

Gosh yes, babystep, you've dragged up a memory for me to - I think the term used for men's fear of/jealousy of women's ability to reproduce new life was 'womb envy'.
It was a bit woo-ish for me, mother goddess and all that - just not my thing, but all this talk about transwomen 'having periods' is giving the concept of 'womb envy' a new lease of life!

In second wave feminism, I remember discussing "womb envy" as a feminist corollary (or counter) to Freud's concept of "penis envy" - not a concept based on the Earth Mother stuff.

Although I'm sure (I know!) that all that Earth mother stuff was around in the 60s and 70s (eg Mary Daly, Gyn/Ecology at the respectable end) but I was a pretty rational second waver.

That's where the gender euphoria lives

slight derail but that reminds me of a poll I read about in which 1 in 50 men thought they could outrun a racehorse... hopefully this sharelink works https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/men-race-outrun-horses-poll-grand-national-fxlrkp8h8

From the MOMA link, a description of Sputniko’s “menstruation machine”. My underlining. Why suggest that children may wish to use such a thing?

From the curators: With Menstruation Machine, Sputniko! explores the relationship between identity, biology, and choice, while also probing the meaning of gender-specific rituals. The accompanying video is about Takashi, a young man who wants to understand on many levels, including the physiological, what it feels like to be a girl. Takashi builds the Menstruation Machine and wears it out on the town with a girlfriend, strutting around a shopping mall and occasionally doubling over in pain. The metal device, which looks like a chastity belt and is equipped with a blood-dispensing system and electrodes that stimulate the lower abdomen, replicates the pain and bleeding of the average five-day menstruation period. It is designed to be worn by men, children, postmenopausal women, or whoever else wants to experience menstruation. Thus an internal, private process is transformed into a wearable and manipulable design, a public display of pain and identity. Since the 1960s, advances in hormone-based contraception have, by suppressing ovulation, challenged the biological necessity of monthly periods. Sputniko! notes that the Menstruation Machine may be particularly desirable in a future in which menstruation in fact becomes obsolete.