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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

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fromorbit · 31/03/2025 15:49

Latest mad story going viral even worse than headline...

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic' - as families blast school's 'insanity'
A toddler was suspended from nursery after being accused of being transphobic or homophobic, The Telegraph can reveal.
Department for Education (DfE) data show the child, aged either three or four, was suspended from a state school in the 2022-23 academic year for “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity”.
The school and further details of the case were not disclosed.
But statistics show that 94 pupils at state primary schools were suspended or permanently excluded for transphobia and homophobia in 2022-23.
These included 10 pupils from year one and three from year two, where the maximum age is seven.
One of these included a child of nursery age, the data show.
It comes after The Telegraph revealed that children as young as five are being kicked out of schools for attacking their teachers or fellow pupils amid an alarming rise in ill-discipline in Britain’s schools.
Helen Joyce, director of advocacy at Sex Matters, said: “Every once in a while, the extremes of gender ideology throw up a story that seems too crazy to believe, and a toddler being suspended from nursery for so-called ‘transphobia’ or homophobia is one such example.
“Worse still, this is not an isolated case. Apparently, 13 four and five-year-olds were suspended or permanently excluded from school for the same reason.
“Teachers and school leaders involved in this insanity should be ashamed of themselves for projecting adult concepts and beliefs onto such young children.
“It’s unforgivable for children’s vital early education to be so traumatically disrupted by school leaders who prioritise activists’ demands over their charges’ wellbeing.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/31/toddler-kicked-out-of-nursery-for-being-transphobic/

JKR is all over it

J.K. Rowling

This is totalitarian insanity. If you think small children should be punished for being able to recognise sex, you are a dangerous zealot who should be nowhere near kids or in any position of authority over them.

Looks like we are getting a mass peaking event.

Starmer does not support suspension of ‘transphobic toddler’
Prime Minister’s spokesman says all school punishments should be ‘proportionate’ to offence
Asked about the suspension of the nursery pupil, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “I’ve seen these reports. Obviously the Prime Minister would not support those sorts of measures. But equally, I don’t know the specific incident in the case.

“I think the data around this is all pretty significantly analysed, so I think it’s quite hard to provide any comment on any specific cases.
“Pupils and staff should never be subject to abuse, but any action taken to tackle behaviour should also be proportionate.”
https://archive.is/UDkUw

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

The child, aged either three or four, was suspended for 'abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity', data from the Department for Education shows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14553181/toddler-kicked-nursery-transphobic.html

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bringbacktheladiesloos · 31/03/2025 17:59

Surely there must be thousands of excluded racist preschoolers out there if nurseries are this hard-core about social justice?

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 18:01

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:57

I meant as adults. They dressed up in dresses as children they didn't become trans.

Thanks for explaining. There seem to be a lot of people around who think that children can be transsexuals, and I thought you might be one of them. Obviously children dressing up in any way doesn't mean anything.

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 18:02

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:59

They can bully because another child doesn't confirm to gender stereotypes.

That's not homophobia or transphobia though. It's just bullying.

Theunamedcat · 31/03/2025 18:04

How are they getting them excluded? My sons primary had a couple of vicious bully's the type of child who would get his mates to hold someone still while they took a run up and kicked them in the balls they called children Gay all the time homophobic slurs were constant they barely suspended him (he made 6 weeks in high school before they bounced him due to the same behaviour) this went all the way to the governors and they still said they "couldn't" exclude him

Christinapple · 31/03/2025 18:08

I'm curious to know what knowledge JK Rowling has that no one else has? How can she claim this is about "for being able to recognise sex" when no details are given other than "homophobic or transphobic abuse"???

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 18:08

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 18:02

That's not homophobia or transphobia though. It's just bullying.

I disagree.

ShinyWorthKeeping · 31/03/2025 18:10

I'm a nursery teacher and a few years ago a preschooler called me a fucking bitch and threw large wooden bricks at me, another child lashed out at me with scissors. Neither was excluded; yet this child was for correctly identifying sex? Make it make sense

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 18:13

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 18:08

I disagree.

What do you think the average 3 or 4 year old understands about homosexuality or transsexualism?

WaffleParty · 31/03/2025 18:14

This isn’t really a story. It gives no real information about what happened. Could be anything. A one-off remark or a pattern of unacceptable behaviour.
JKR shows a lack of judgment wading in when so little information is available.

Scrabsqueak · 31/03/2025 18:21

Well. In my experience children don’t get suspended for hitting teachers, swearing at teachers trashing classrooms etc, so I assume this is a private nursery so can make its own rules, however off the wall they might seem…

yetanotherusernameAgain · 31/03/2025 18:22

yet this child was for correctly identifying sex?

We don't know that's what happened.

The article has gone viral because of the clickbait title. But The Telegraph ran a far more interesting/alarming article yesterday about exclusions from primary schools. Bold is my emphasis:

Across the 2022-23 academic year, 3,599 children in reception and nursery were either suspended or expelled for physical assault against an adult.

A further 1,890 were excluded for assaulting other children, figures obtained by The Telegraph show.

Across all age groups, more than 100 primary school pupils were also excluded for theft in 2022-23, while 148 faced punishments for drug or alcohol misuse and 855 were sanctioned for carrying weapons or other prohibited items into school, official data show.

That's the article that really should have gone viral.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a193617d0b185c46

NeverDropYourMooncup · 31/03/2025 18:27

The difficulty here is that there are only certain dropdown categories to select when completing the suspension section of the MIS. One of these is abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity and in order to ensure that all behaviour is documented for both disciplinary/legal purposes - ie, not having them withdrawn at Governor Review or Independent Appeal) and for evidencing SEND (ie, getting an EHCP that's desperately needed), it's more appropriate to include all of the up to three categories of behaviour it falls under.

As a result, a child or adult can be kicked, punched, hurt with sharp things or even weapons brought in - yes, even with little ones - and called a fucking q n, stinking g p* f*** or any such varieties of abuse (and it's obvious these are being learned at home, but that doesn't make the behaviour any more acceptable) and it'll go down in the MIS and then reported at census. I'm not even making the strings of verbal up - they are some of the things that even small children have said.

It's not reasonable to ignore them in the context of documenting the full extent of a child's behaviour and I am 99.8% certain that none of the children concerned were suspended or excluded purely for saying 'He's not a lady', but homophobic abuse formed a part of the behaviour that led to suspension and was therefore recorded accurately.

Unfortunately, the Press are very keen on statistics, but frequently only so they can be subverted into clickbait.

Mysterian · 31/03/2025 18:56

We don't know what happened. After working for 30 years in childcare I doubt very much it was anything to do with the child as such. They didn't care when I changed gender. They just talked about past me "When you were a girl...". I hadn't actually had anything more than a pretty radical haircut, from below shoulders to nearly shaved.
I think something parent related is much more likely. Maybe the parent said something like "Keep away from that f/ D**" and they repeated it.

The worst I ever had was from the little 3 year old son of a truck driver who once told me "Fuck off you fucking cunt!", but that was in Reading so you'd expect that.

zanahoria · 31/03/2025 19:33

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:45

You can't just dismiss it as mad because we don't know what was said only that, as per the article, it was homophobia not transphobia.

That is because they make no distinction between the two in the statistics

wrongthinker · 31/03/2025 19:41

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

If a small child is using highly abusive language, that's a safeguarding issue. We don't punish children for not subscribing to ideologies. Do we? I'm finding this genuinely upsetting and really hope it's not what actually happened.

HumanBurrito · 31/03/2025 20:05

This will be one of those "they are hiring blind pilots!1!!!" Woke gone mad stories that turns out to be completely unrelated to the actual facts

Mrsdyna · 31/03/2025 20:25

The UK is frightening now

ladygindiva · 31/03/2025 20:26

fanOfBen · 31/03/2025 16:05

Even if the 3 or 4yo - I might call a 3yo a toddler - said something obviously unacceptable, it should be within the capabilities of competent nursery staff to educate the child, not exclude him/her!

Exactly. I remember a friend of dds, aged 4, telling our kids on a playdate in hysterics of giggles that her uncle was marrying a man. A quick chat to them all, point out it's fine, and not something to laugh at, job done. They're learning about the world.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 31/03/2025 21:36

Christinapple · 31/03/2025 18:08

I'm curious to know what knowledge JK Rowling has that no one else has? How can she claim this is about "for being able to recognise sex" when no details are given other than "homophobic or transphobic abuse"???

She must be referring to this bit:

...said they received a letter from the headteacher and chair of governors which declared pupils could be designated the term [transphobic] if they showed 'an inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male.

Firealarm1414 · 01/04/2025 00:43

When my child was around that age she saw Kaitlyn Jenner on TV and asked why the man was wearing a dress. Kids can recognise sex pretty much from birth, and have no concept of people being transgender until they are much older so are liable to make statements like that which might cause offense to some people. However, the vast majority of people would accept that young kids don't know what they're saying and not kick them out of school. If it was for something like that then it's completely ridiculous and it would have confused and upset the poor child to be punished for speaking the truth as they saw it.

caringcarer · 01/04/2025 01:29

The PM doesn't know what a woman is. This 3 year old is therefore smarter than the PM.

Datun · 01/04/2025 05:35

I hope more details emerge. Because speculation that's it's actually a child just recognising sex is, of course, going to be widely believed when you get this

...said they received a letter from the headteacher and chair of governors which declared pupils could be designated the term [transphobic] if they showed 'an inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male.

Gender ideology is an adult concept and we know adults are relentlessly attacked for non compliance. It's really not even a leap to imagine it happening to a child.

That, in itself, is pretty damning. Whatever the child said.

illinivich · 01/04/2025 08:07

It couldve been one of a list of reasons the child was excluded.

But as others are saying, sexuality and trans ideology are issues that young children do not understand. Its madness to have this as a reason to exclude a child.

When adults say children this age are 'accepting', they are missing the key point - children do not understand. There arent aware of the issues and supporting the cause, they just going along with what is said at school.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 01/04/2025 08:18

illinivich · 01/04/2025 08:07

It couldve been one of a list of reasons the child was excluded.

But as others are saying, sexuality and trans ideology are issues that young children do not understand. Its madness to have this as a reason to exclude a child.

When adults say children this age are 'accepting', they are missing the key point - children do not understand. There arent aware of the issues and supporting the cause, they just going along with what is said at school.

Yes, it's unknowable what happened in individual cases because these are aggregate data, and privacy rules apply. But we can still take issue with the whole concept of young children being punished for not subscribing to a metaphysical belief.

RedToothBrush · 01/04/2025 08:27

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 31/03/2025 21:36

She must be referring to this bit:

...said they received a letter from the headteacher and chair of governors which declared pupils could be designated the term [transphobic] if they showed 'an inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male.

Tbh if you got a letter like that, how many of you would actively remove your child from that nursery/school?

Given what my son has been through with regards to bullying, and they didn't even suspend the kid involved and instead used restorative justice methods in school rather than actual punishment, it beggars belief that kids being kids, observing reality get kicked out!

That's more than you would get for questioning about race in a similar way at that age because it's purely age appropriate questioning of differences not racism. You literally have to explain what racism is to many kids that age.