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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

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fromorbit · 31/03/2025 15:49

Latest mad story going viral even worse than headline...

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic' - as families blast school's 'insanity'
A toddler was suspended from nursery after being accused of being transphobic or homophobic, The Telegraph can reveal.
Department for Education (DfE) data show the child, aged either three or four, was suspended from a state school in the 2022-23 academic year for “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity”.
The school and further details of the case were not disclosed.
But statistics show that 94 pupils at state primary schools were suspended or permanently excluded for transphobia and homophobia in 2022-23.
These included 10 pupils from year one and three from year two, where the maximum age is seven.
One of these included a child of nursery age, the data show.
It comes after The Telegraph revealed that children as young as five are being kicked out of schools for attacking their teachers or fellow pupils amid an alarming rise in ill-discipline in Britain’s schools.
Helen Joyce, director of advocacy at Sex Matters, said: “Every once in a while, the extremes of gender ideology throw up a story that seems too crazy to believe, and a toddler being suspended from nursery for so-called ‘transphobia’ or homophobia is one such example.
“Worse still, this is not an isolated case. Apparently, 13 four and five-year-olds were suspended or permanently excluded from school for the same reason.
“Teachers and school leaders involved in this insanity should be ashamed of themselves for projecting adult concepts and beliefs onto such young children.
“It’s unforgivable for children’s vital early education to be so traumatically disrupted by school leaders who prioritise activists’ demands over their charges’ wellbeing.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/31/toddler-kicked-out-of-nursery-for-being-transphobic/

JKR is all over it

J.K. Rowling

This is totalitarian insanity. If you think small children should be punished for being able to recognise sex, you are a dangerous zealot who should be nowhere near kids or in any position of authority over them.

Looks like we are getting a mass peaking event.

Starmer does not support suspension of ‘transphobic toddler’
Prime Minister’s spokesman says all school punishments should be ‘proportionate’ to offence
Asked about the suspension of the nursery pupil, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “I’ve seen these reports. Obviously the Prime Minister would not support those sorts of measures. But equally, I don’t know the specific incident in the case.

“I think the data around this is all pretty significantly analysed, so I think it’s quite hard to provide any comment on any specific cases.
“Pupils and staff should never be subject to abuse, but any action taken to tackle behaviour should also be proportionate.”
https://archive.is/UDkUw

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

The child, aged either three or four, was suspended for 'abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity', data from the Department for Education shows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14553181/toddler-kicked-nursery-transphobic.html

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illinivich · 01/04/2025 09:05

inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male

They are demanding more from young children than any adult - lots of politican talk about sex and gender being different.

I dont know how teaching children that sex is changeable is compatible with safeguarding, so no, i wouldn't keep my child in such a setting.

Merrymouse · 01/04/2025 09:07

I agree that it seems likely that the exclusion from nursery was for more complicated reasons, but these are odd statistics to collect for 3 and 4 year olds, because a child that age doesn't have the social understanding to differentiate between calling somebody a 'poo poo head' and any other kind of verbal abuse.

Abhannmor · 01/04/2025 09:18

fanOfBen · 31/03/2025 16:05

Even if the 3 or 4yo - I might call a 3yo a toddler - said something obviously unacceptable, it should be within the capabilities of competent nursery staff to educate the child, not exclude him/her!

Well yes. My was called 'gay ' for not supporting some football team. Neither he or the other child knew what it meant at thar age. Obviously not what you want to hear from small children but the response has to be proportionate surely.

thenoisiesttermagant · 01/04/2025 09:34

Honestly I think even recording a child's behaviour problems at that age in this way is a safeguarding failure because a child of that age cannot possibly understand what either transphobia or homophobia is. It's either bullying or not, records should make sense.

I've cut and pasted below the definition of emotional abuse in KCSIE, the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools. It's statutory, every teacher or TA and governor should read it every year.

26. Emotional abuse: the persistent emotional maltreatment of a child such as to cause severe and adverse effects on the child’s emotional development. It may involve conveying to a child that they are worthless or unloved, inadequate, or valued only insofar as they meet the needs of another person. It may include not giving the child opportunities to express their views, deliberately silencing them or ‘making fun’ of what they say or how they communicate. It may feature age or developmentally inappropriate expectations being imposed on children. These may include interactions that are beyond a child’s developmental capability as well as overprotection and limitation of exploration and learning or preventing the child from participating in normal social interaction. It may involve seeing or hearing the ill treatment of another. It may involve serious bullying (including cyberbullying), causing children frequently to feel frightened or in danger, or the exploitation or corruption of children. Some level of emotional abuse is involved in all types of maltreatment of a child, although it may occur alone.

Basically gender ideology is doing the above. Valued only insofar as they meet the needs of another person (compelled preferred pronouns making it clear whose perceptions matter most). TICK. Deliberately silencing. TICK. Age or developmentally inappropriate expectations (such as telling them to lie about sex and use wrong sex pronouns but only in some cases with no clear rules about when) TICK.

It very clearly breaches the statutory safeguarding guidance to ask children to override their perceptions and pretend men can be women (or the other way around).

What other situation is there when adults ask children to keep secrets and lie about the truth?

Depressing I have to keep pointing this out.

thenoisiesttermagant · 01/04/2025 09:39

And any adult who expects a tiny child to lie about something as fact based as sex and the reality of two sexes in mammals is not putting that child's wellbeing above their own.

Someone who cannot put the children first, and uses them as validation tools, should not be in a position of responsibility in relation to children.

It's fine if someone wants to dress using sex role stereotypes associated with the opposite sex. Children should be free to then draw their own conclusions. If TW truly are W and TM truly are M the kids will behave accordingly. But if that person forces compelled speech on those children and expects them to supress what they see purely for an adult's gratification or even for their mental health? Not fit to work with children - the children's wellbeing and health should come first, by law, in a school.

I very much hope the DfE is looking into why any child's behaviour is recorded this way.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2025 09:48

This is so bad.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 09:55

SocksShmocks · 31/03/2025 16:16

I think we can’t possibly know enough from this snippet to know what exactly happened or was said.

But it’s hard for me to imagine a 3 or 4 year old saying or doing something so offensive (whether racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or anything else) that it warranted them being suspended / excluded, rather than managed by the nursery and parents.

And if they did say or do such a thing that was offensive enough to warrant suspension / exclusion for a much older child then the question would surely be where the young child had learned it and whether they were themselves at risk.

Edited

Exactly all of that. A tiny child using inappropriate language is quite common. It might warrant a chat with parents. Repeated issues might raise questions about safeguarding.

SEN won't even be countenanced at that age, let alone assessed for.

Exclusion is frankly bizarre.

SionnachRuadh · 01/04/2025 10:57

Small children will often pick up language used at home that might be offensive to others, even if they don't know what it means.

Also, I may be misremembering, but haven't Stonewall been banging on for years about the need for schools to crack down on kids saying "gay" to mean "lame"? As in, "your trainers are so gay"?

PriOn1 · 01/04/2025 11:09

I hope more details will emerge that will allow some kind of understanding of what the situation was. It’s hard to imagine anything a child might say that could be offensive enough that it couldn’t be dealt with, hence it does seem quite concerning.

Surely it can’t simply be name calling? Was it really about the child’s behaviour, or the parents? I can imagine if the child is backed up in unreasonable behaviour by their parents, there might be an intractable problem that the school or nursery can’t cope with. It does very much depend what the intractab unreasonable behaviour is though.

Most adults should be able to cope with a child telling them it’s wrong to be gay and also reiterating to a man that he’s not a woman.

If a child insists that another child is a boy, when the other child is one, but his parents want everyone to pretend he’s a girl, then there must be balance there, because insisting a child lies is straightforwardly wrong, which is why gender ideology is so problematic.

Thelnebriati · 01/04/2025 11:09

How can people tolerate any of this instead of seeing it as a dangerous ideology? 3 year olds have absolutely no idea about gender or identity. Nursery staff are supposed to be trained in child development.

BunfightBetty · 01/04/2025 11:17

thenoisiesttermagant · 01/04/2025 09:39

And any adult who expects a tiny child to lie about something as fact based as sex and the reality of two sexes in mammals is not putting that child's wellbeing above their own.

Someone who cannot put the children first, and uses them as validation tools, should not be in a position of responsibility in relation to children.

It's fine if someone wants to dress using sex role stereotypes associated with the opposite sex. Children should be free to then draw their own conclusions. If TW truly are W and TM truly are M the kids will behave accordingly. But if that person forces compelled speech on those children and expects them to supress what they see purely for an adult's gratification or even for their mental health? Not fit to work with children - the children's wellbeing and health should come first, by law, in a school.

I very much hope the DfE is looking into why any child's behaviour is recorded this way.

This. All day long.

Igmum · 01/04/2025 17:57

Is it just me who is thinking that the Fascist Baby must be about that age by now?

Snorlaxo · 01/04/2025 19:50

I really wondered if the parents might have come forward considering it was being discussed on social media yesterday.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 20:01

Igmum · 01/04/2025 17:57

Is it just me who is thinking that the Fascist Baby must be about that age by now?

😂

thenoisiesttermagant · 01/04/2025 20:20

The parents won't come forward because imagine having your very small child labelled something they can't even understand yet? It's abusive and media attention will likely make it worse. At the moment the child can just move schools somewhere where the staff have his/her best interests at heart without being labelled.

Who knows what behaviour lead to this labelling of a small child. Maybe it was bad behaviour, maybe not, but I think it's clear the child will not have intended transphobia or homophobia at that age given there is no way he/she can possibly understand either.

Given the insanity that has been allowed to happen in schools, I don't think it's beyond the realms of fantasy that the child just recognised sex. I really hope there's an investigation as to how this could have happened. The best case scenario is that this label was attached by accident instead of something else and amounts to a clerical error.

SeethingHarpie · 01/04/2025 23:03

I will wait to see if more detail comes out, as my thinking goes straight to a transgender teacher/carer/educator not being validated by a child (who recognises biological sex and reality). It would be shocking if that were the case!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2025 23:05

Wow. I had to check this wasn't an April fool.

CaptainFuture · 01/04/2025 23:09

SeethingHarpie · 01/04/2025 23:03

I will wait to see if more detail comes out, as my thinking goes straight to a transgender teacher/carer/educator not being validated by a child (who recognises biological sex and reality). It would be shocking if that were the case!

Not just not being validated... but not being celebrated as the most special and important member of staff...who all must bow to, and be recognised as arbitrator of all that is right and just.. no matter anyone else's thoughts,views or concerns.

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