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Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

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fromorbit · 31/03/2025 15:49

Latest mad story going viral even worse than headline...

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic' - as families blast school's 'insanity'
A toddler was suspended from nursery after being accused of being transphobic or homophobic, The Telegraph can reveal.
Department for Education (DfE) data show the child, aged either three or four, was suspended from a state school in the 2022-23 academic year for “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity”.
The school and further details of the case were not disclosed.
But statistics show that 94 pupils at state primary schools were suspended or permanently excluded for transphobia and homophobia in 2022-23.
These included 10 pupils from year one and three from year two, where the maximum age is seven.
One of these included a child of nursery age, the data show.
It comes after The Telegraph revealed that children as young as five are being kicked out of schools for attacking their teachers or fellow pupils amid an alarming rise in ill-discipline in Britain’s schools.
Helen Joyce, director of advocacy at Sex Matters, said: “Every once in a while, the extremes of gender ideology throw up a story that seems too crazy to believe, and a toddler being suspended from nursery for so-called ‘transphobia’ or homophobia is one such example.
“Worse still, this is not an isolated case. Apparently, 13 four and five-year-olds were suspended or permanently excluded from school for the same reason.
“Teachers and school leaders involved in this insanity should be ashamed of themselves for projecting adult concepts and beliefs onto such young children.
“It’s unforgivable for children’s vital early education to be so traumatically disrupted by school leaders who prioritise activists’ demands over their charges’ wellbeing.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/31/toddler-kicked-out-of-nursery-for-being-transphobic/

JKR is all over it

J.K. Rowling

This is totalitarian insanity. If you think small children should be punished for being able to recognise sex, you are a dangerous zealot who should be nowhere near kids or in any position of authority over them.

Looks like we are getting a mass peaking event.

Starmer does not support suspension of ‘transphobic toddler’
Prime Minister’s spokesman says all school punishments should be ‘proportionate’ to offence
Asked about the suspension of the nursery pupil, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “I’ve seen these reports. Obviously the Prime Minister would not support those sorts of measures. But equally, I don’t know the specific incident in the case.

“I think the data around this is all pretty significantly analysed, so I think it’s quite hard to provide any comment on any specific cases.
“Pupils and staff should never be subject to abuse, but any action taken to tackle behaviour should also be proportionate.”
https://archive.is/UDkUw

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'

The child, aged either three or four, was suspended for 'abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity', data from the Department for Education shows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14553181/toddler-kicked-nursery-transphobic.html

OP posts:
CrazyOldMe · 31/03/2025 15:55

"TERF toddler" has a bit of a ring to it...

NPET · 31/03/2025 15:57

No point in commenting.
Anyone who supports this case is obviously insane.

moto748e · 31/03/2025 16:01

I just saw a post on this on SM from the Indy, piggy-backing on the Telegraph piece. I remarked that their outrage would be more believeable if the Indy themselves hadn't been Fleet Street's biggest purveyors of gender-woo (worse than the Graun, IMO).

yetanotherusernameAgain · 31/03/2025 16:04

Is it in the Telegraph or the Daily Mail?

I think the headline is misleading:

Would you call a 3 or 4 year old a 'toddler'?

The quote says “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity” so the reference to "transphobia" is inaccurate, it could have been homophobia.

One wonders what the child might have said. It might have been an expression of anti-gay venom directed at a specific individual - possibly learned behaviour from home. I guess we'll never know.

fanOfBen · 31/03/2025 16:05

Even if the 3 or 4yo - I might call a 3yo a toddler - said something obviously unacceptable, it should be within the capabilities of competent nursery staff to educate the child, not exclude him/her!

Ihavepandassurvivalinstinct · 31/03/2025 16:06

CrazyOldMe · 31/03/2025 15:55

"TERF toddler" has a bit of a ring to it...

Terfddler I guess.

Ridiculous we even have chance to joke about it, isn't it...

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/03/2025 16:06

Even if a toddler turned up at nursery effing and blinding they should be in nursery surely?

RayonSunrise · 31/03/2025 16:09

There is SO much cleaning up to do after the past 10 years of gender ideology being fashionable. I’m glad we appear to be gaining more and more cross-party consensus on these mad stories. Letting this whole topic be endlessly polarised along party lines would only damage our ability to course correct.

Snorlaxo · 31/03/2025 16:12

This story is so bizarre I can’t imagine wtf happened for this to be the conclusion. It’s got to be an argument between the nursery and the parents right?

SocksShmocks · 31/03/2025 16:16

I think we can’t possibly know enough from this snippet to know what exactly happened or was said.

But it’s hard for me to imagine a 3 or 4 year old saying or doing something so offensive (whether racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or anything else) that it warranted them being suspended / excluded, rather than managed by the nursery and parents.

And if they did say or do such a thing that was offensive enough to warrant suspension / exclusion for a much older child then the question would surely be where the young child had learned it and whether they were themselves at risk.

senua · 31/03/2025 16:31

The quote says “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity” so the reference to "transphobia" is inaccurate, it could have been homophobia.
Why on earth do we continue conflate the two, as if they are in any way equivalent?

ERthree · 31/03/2025 16:43

The world has gone fucking mad. I am off to have a cuppa, in fact i need a whole pot.

fromorbit · 31/03/2025 16:46

SocksShmocks · 31/03/2025 16:16

I think we can’t possibly know enough from this snippet to know what exactly happened or was said.

But it’s hard for me to imagine a 3 or 4 year old saying or doing something so offensive (whether racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic or anything else) that it warranted them being suspended / excluded, rather than managed by the nursery and parents.

And if they did say or do such a thing that was offensive enough to warrant suspension / exclusion for a much older child then the question would surely be where the young child had learned it and whether they were themselves at risk.

Edited

Exactly. Which is why it is going viral

It is so blatantly absurd that it gets people talking. Maybe we will find out actual details.

OP posts:
spannasaurus · 31/03/2025 17:34

In 2022, a Church of England school in the Isle of Wight warned a six-year-old boy's parents that he might be deemed 'transphobic' if he were to question another pupil wearing a dress.
Sally and Nigel Rowe, whose sons attended a Church of England school, said they received a letter from the headteacher and chair of governors which declared pupils could be designated the term if they showed 'an inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male.'

From this quote in the Daily Mail report it would appear that not believing transwomen are women would be enough for a child to be labelled transphobic

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:39

yetanotherusernameAgain · 31/03/2025 16:04

Is it in the Telegraph or the Daily Mail?

I think the headline is misleading:

Would you call a 3 or 4 year old a 'toddler'?

The quote says “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity” so the reference to "transphobia" is inaccurate, it could have been homophobia.

One wonders what the child might have said. It might have been an expression of anti-gay venom directed at a specific individual - possibly learned behaviour from home. I guess we'll never know.

This. And can believe it coming from a child that age if they've heard it at home. We don't know what was actually said. My grandson was teased as 'half boy half girl' in ks1 because he wasn't into football and macho games they attacked him in the toilets and drmanded he prove he was a boy. I imagine much more was said than this article implies and the school has to protect the other children.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:43

spannasaurus · 31/03/2025 17:34

In 2022, a Church of England school in the Isle of Wight warned a six-year-old boy's parents that he might be deemed 'transphobic' if he were to question another pupil wearing a dress.
Sally and Nigel Rowe, whose sons attended a Church of England school, said they received a letter from the headteacher and chair of governors which declared pupils could be designated the term if they showed 'an inability to believe a transgender person is actually a ''real'' female or male.'

From this quote in the Daily Mail report it would appear that not believing transwomen are women would be enough for a child to be labelled transphobic

If he was bullying another boy for dressing up in a dress then he should have some consequences. I was an Early Years teacher for 30 years and boys often liked to dress up. As far as I know none of them were trans and as it was a village school I would probably have heard about it.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:45

RayonSunrise · 31/03/2025 16:09

There is SO much cleaning up to do after the past 10 years of gender ideology being fashionable. I’m glad we appear to be gaining more and more cross-party consensus on these mad stories. Letting this whole topic be endlessly polarised along party lines would only damage our ability to course correct.

You can't just dismiss it as mad because we don't know what was said only that, as per the article, it was homophobia not transphobia.

spannasaurus · 31/03/2025 17:49

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:43

If he was bullying another boy for dressing up in a dress then he should have some consequences. I was an Early Years teacher for 30 years and boys often liked to dress up. As far as I know none of them were trans and as it was a village school I would probably have heard about it.

There's nothing in that quote to suggest the child was bullying anyone.

You've ignored the second part where not believing people can change sex would be considered transphobic

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 17:50

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:39

This. And can believe it coming from a child that age if they've heard it at home. We don't know what was actually said. My grandson was teased as 'half boy half girl' in ks1 because he wasn't into football and macho games they attacked him in the toilets and drmanded he prove he was a boy. I imagine much more was said than this article implies and the school has to protect the other children.

That's not transphobia or homophobia. It's bullying and should be dealt with in the same way as a child being bullied for any other reason.

Transsexualism and homosexuality are adult concepts. Children of 3 or 4 cannot be transsexuals or homosexuals.

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 17:51

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:43

If he was bullying another boy for dressing up in a dress then he should have some consequences. I was an Early Years teacher for 30 years and boys often liked to dress up. As far as I know none of them were trans and as it was a village school I would probably have heard about it.

As far as I know none of them were trans

I can assure you that none of those young children were trans. Children cannot be transsexual.

Christinapple · 31/03/2025 17:53

Details weren't disclosed, and we don't know if it was transphobic or "being able to recognise sex" (as OP and JK Rowling are claiming) or homophobia, and we also don't know if violence e.g. was involved.

It certainly would seem very odd for a toddler that age to be suspended from words alone.

Toddler is kicked out of nursery 'for being transphobic'
IwantToRetire · 31/03/2025 17:54

The original article itself makes it clear they dont know. The story is just based on stats.

A toddler was suspended from nursery after being accused of being transphobic or homophobic, The Telegraph can reveal.

Department for Education (DfE) data show the child, aged either three or four, was suspended from a state school in the 2022-23 academic year for “abuse against sexual orientation and gender identity”.

The school and further details of the case were not disclosed.

But statistics show that 94 pupils at state primary schools were suspended or permanently excluded for transphobia and homophobia in 2022-23.

These included 10 pupils from year one and three from year two, where the maximum age is seven.

One of these included a child of nursery age, the data show.

https://archive.is/l0qqq

Have no idea of the intent of the article, as I imagine the Telegraph isn't free of both homophobia and transphobia.

Isn't the issue about the age of the children concerned, and the notion that schools should exclude.

Its almost like a Nursery equivilent to Kathleen Stock.

The difference between that KS has the maturity, knowledge and ability to articulate the issue.

Who knows what these young children actual think, or even know about what they may have said.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:57

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 17:51

As far as I know none of them were trans

I can assure you that none of those young children were trans. Children cannot be transsexual.

I meant as adults. They dressed up in dresses as children they didn't become trans.

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 17:57

Who knows what these young children actual think, or even know about what they may have said.

Exactly. What does the average 3 or 4 year old understand about homosexuality or transsexualism?

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/03/2025 17:59

OldCrone · 31/03/2025 17:57

Who knows what these young children actual think, or even know about what they may have said.

Exactly. What does the average 3 or 4 year old understand about homosexuality or transsexualism?

They can bully because another child doesn't confirm to gender stereotypes.