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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
TheOtherRaven · 20/03/2025 12:53

There is widespread 'people with a cervix'ing all over the place, it's not a case of the problem being that NHS puts out only clear sex based information - they don't!

Apparently this is as confusing and inaccessible to the very people the language was messed up for, as it is to everyone else. So in fact, it works for no one.

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 12:56

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 12:48

Why would a HCP deny screening for a female?

If the patient is registered with the practice as male, which they have the option to do, they could be incorrectly turned away.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 20/03/2025 12:57

At last, common sense.
Good to see clear reporting on BBC news website (for a change!).

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 12:58

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 12:56

If the patient is registered with the practice as male, which they have the option to do, they could be incorrectly turned away.

Which is why people should not be able to change their biologically and factually accurate sex markers on their health records.

Brefugee · 20/03/2025 12:58

SaiSun · 20/03/2025 11:49

Transmen who still have a cervix, still need smears (and most do attend). The solution, is to fix the recall system, so they are still recalled - not to pretend they don't exist/ misgender them.

no. they need to record their SEX properly. Presumably a transman knows they were born a woman, or else they would not be a trans man. Same applies to transwomen.

We, as everyone has said, have been warning about this for ages. But because for a lot of the misrecording purposes (crimes mostly) it served the trans community to fuck about, now when it comes to their health issues, they are in the find out stage.

I find it extremely difficult to have any sympathy for any of them caught up in this, i should probably be ashamed of that but i have better things to worry about.

UrsulasHerbBag · 20/03/2025 12:59

This is a bit upsetting really. Although we have been pointing this out for years and shut down as transphobic we were pointing it out because we knew it would cause harm to transpeople as well. This is yet another serious harm the “no debate” and screaming aggressive ignorant TRA’s have caused the people they are supposed to be supporting. If we could have used actual biological language and truth then this could have been avoided.

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:00

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 12:56

If the patient is registered with the practice as male, which they have the option to do, they could be incorrectly turned away.

Easily solved then by correctly recording sex on medical records

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:02

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:00

Easily solved then by correctly recording sex on medical records

Not quite, because the sex marker isnt the only reliable indicator for eligibility for screening whether that's regarding trans or non trans people.

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:03

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 12:58

Which is why people should not be able to change their biologically and factually accurate sex markers on their health records.

Why not? The guidelines are clear enough, their biological sex on their record isn't necessarily an accurate indicator of of they're eligible for screening either, patients still need to self report when not eligible or if they're incorrectly inilegible so what's the difference?

Brefugee · 20/03/2025 13:03

but it makes no odds. If they are recorded as male, and turn up for an examination which the NHS has been insisting vehemently is for "people with a cervix" then the HCP needs to be fired, frankly.

They have bent the language out of shape and are still whining? They can get in the sea. I am sick and tired and fed up of the language being abused to appease - what? 2%? - a tiny minority of people. So oppressed that they got the NHS to change their language and they are still fucking whining? no.

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:04

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:02

Not quite, because the sex marker isnt the only reliable indicator for eligibility for screening whether that's regarding trans or non trans people.

Are you saying that males might also have a cervix?

murasaki · 20/03/2025 13:04

I'm a bit 'well this is what you wanted, tough luck, should have thought it through'.

Little sympathy from me.

murasaki · 20/03/2025 13:05

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:04

Are you saying that males might also have a cervix?

Well Lammy thinks so and Willoughby claims he does.

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2025 13:05

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 12:56

If the patient is registered with the practice as male, which they have the option to do, they could be incorrectly turned away.

Why on earth would somebody register with a MEDICAL facility using the wrong biological sex? That's just asking for trouble. Ill-health related to being female doesn't spare you just because you have transitioned and now consider yourself male, so it's the one place where a transman really really needs to be biologically accurate.

Informing medical staff that you are male when you are not is wasting their time, and putting yourself at risk.

Presenting at a practice looking [somewhat, anyway] like a man and stating that you are biologically female must be difficult, but surely that's something that a woman thinks long and hard about before she transitions - how am I going to deal with tricky situations like registering with a GP, using women's toilets, joining women-only groups, etc.?

But if a transman asks for a smear tests and is told 'But they are only necessary for women!' and the transman replies 'I was born female and still have a cervix, so yes I need a smear test', they are not going to be turned away.

It's not like the male transwoman in France demanding to be treated by a gynaecologist, is it?

edited because I got my transmen mixed up with my transwomen🙄

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 13:05

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:03

Why not? The guidelines are clear enough, their biological sex on their record isn't necessarily an accurate indicator of of they're eligible for screening either, patients still need to self report when not eligible or if they're incorrectly inilegible so what's the difference?

Well it would be if people didn't lie about their sex.

Derbee · 20/03/2025 13:06

RegimentalSturgeon · 20/03/2025 08:21

Meh. Frankly, I struggle to care about this one and write it down as just another dimension of self harm.

Yep, couldn’t muster up any care about this other than annoyance that public finances have to pay for expensive treatment rather than cheaper preventative care.

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2025 13:08

BlackeyedSusan · 20/03/2025 08:07

We fucking told you that....

But, oh no, we were being "transphobic."

The worse bit is trying to shut us up is the greatest act of self harm...

It's ridiculous.

The irony is we do actually care - many of us got involved in this precisely because it sucked in people e care about.

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 13:09

If you lie about anything else medically relevant and end up getting treatment that harms you as a result, whose fault is it?

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:10

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:04

Are you saying that males might also have a cervix?

Where did my post say that? I'm referring to the many many females registered at a surgery who won't be eligible for screening

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:11

BettyBooper · 20/03/2025 13:05

Well it would be if people didn't lie about their sex.

Except the females who aren't eligible? Hence why the eligibility is women and people with a cervix?

Brefugee · 20/03/2025 13:11

Where did my post say that? I'm referring to the many many females registered at a surgery who won't be eligible for screening

but that's not what the article is about, nor what this discussion is about.

Brefugee · 20/03/2025 13:12

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:11

Except the females who aren't eligible? Hence why the eligibility is women and people with a cervix?

once more with feeling: only women have a cervix

elgreco · 20/03/2025 13:14

An obvious outcome.

Darwinism in action.

Pombearsallday · 20/03/2025 13:14

Brefugee · 20/03/2025 13:03

but it makes no odds. If they are recorded as male, and turn up for an examination which the NHS has been insisting vehemently is for "people with a cervix" then the HCP needs to be fired, frankly.

They have bent the language out of shape and are still whining? They can get in the sea. I am sick and tired and fed up of the language being abused to appease - what? 2%? - a tiny minority of people. So oppressed that they got the NHS to change their language and they are still fucking whining? no.

Did you read the article? Which trans person is whining in it?
You'll be surprised how many people are turned away from screening because some HCPs falsely think you need to have your invite on you, or haven't recently been invited because you're overdue etc.

spannasaurus · 20/03/2025 13:15

What's better

Record sex correctly and invite all women for smear tests which may mean that some women who have had the cervix removed are invited

Or

Don't record sex correctly and risk not sending invitations to all women who still have their cervix