People missing out on cancer screening recalls to due gender not sex being recorded.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sex-data-gender-identity-nhs-police-review-b2718090.html

If only someone could have foreseen this!

The thing here is for all the 'people with a cervix' in the NHS literature, the NHS doesn't have a tick box for 'having a cervix' and instead has 'gender' instead of sex. Because they quite frankly are incompetent idiots who havent grasped that sex isn't gender.

Unlike 'transphobic' MN.

Facepalm

But not all women do, hence there's no real difference between listening to patients telling you they have no cervix and listening to a patient telling you they have one. Do you want HCPs to listen to and respect their patients?

What's wrong with offering 'intersex' as an option alongside male and female to record biological sex? (Just responding to conversation up thread).

Because all humans are either male or female including those with DSDs

Yeah, try registering as 'not allergic to penicillin' when that's not biologically accurate, and see how that goes....

But in fact the NHS [and HSE here in Ireland] will not actually say to a transman who wants a smear test 'Nah mate, you've made your choice, you've picked your team, now get lost', all the 'people with cervix' stuff shows how careful they are to ensure transmen get smear tests.

There has to be some degree of advance awareness of future complications like this when a woman decides to transition, and she has to take personal responsibility to give health care professionals accurate information, e.g. by NOT registering as male.

Neither, Because women being invited unnecessarily is a massive drain of resource and also skews the effectiveness of the CSP . The guidance is very clear for trans individuals and the article doesn't reference any trans people complaining that it isn't?

It’s all part and parcel of this ‘birthing people’ nonsense and I don’t have a lot of sympathy.

But it is why the eligible screening population is not "females" or "women" it's women and people with a cervix

How likely do you think it is that women who have had their cervix removed wouldn't know they didn't need a smear test and book an appointment

Why would it be?

Yes and it is therefore important that patients don't lie about issues as crucially relevant as their sex.

Quite.

Happens a lot or they don't attend but also don't cease themselves from screening and a massive amount of resource is wasted trying to engage with non attenders. You'd be surprised how many women with a hysterectomy don't actually know if their cervix was removed or not, it isn't always.

Part of me thinks Willoughby should go for a smear test and suffer the pain of someone rummaging around trying to find his imaginary cervix. It's bad enough when you actually have one, I swear mine migrates north at the sight of the nurse.

But as I said their sex won't be a reliable indicator. If they're presenting at their surgery explaining they are registered as male but have a cervix, for the purpose of their healthcare why can't they do that?

@Pombearsallday how would you select people to be invited for a smear test to ensure no women without a cervix were included but all women with a cervix are included

The current guidelines cover that pretty comprehensively.

And who's fault would that be?!

BettyBooper it would be if people didn't lie about their sex.

Because, Pombearsallday, facts are essential to proper medical care. As I said in a PP
Why on earth would somebody register with a MEDICAL facility using the wrong biological sex? That's just asking for trouble. Ill-health related to being female doesn't spare you just because you have transitioned and now consider yourself male, so it's the one place where a transman really really needs to be biologically accurate.
Informing medical staff that you are male when you are not is wasting their time, and putting yourself at risk.

It's daft to even have to explain why it is important not to lie about a very important aspect of your physiology to health care professionals.
I'm trying very hard not to say 'Duh!' ....but duh!

In the middle of gender madness, we can't assume what trans people do or don't believe about themselves. We have India Willoughby thinking he has a cervix and an NHS doctor, with a penis, declaring himself to be biologically female.

Cervical screening is largely invited by sex and age. If sex if not accurately recorded, then the only alternative is to invite all people of the appropriate age to be screened.

How many men do you think would turn up? How much resource would be wasted just to avoid the risk of hurting the feelings of a tiny number of people through 'mis gendering" AKA correctly sexing them??

Sex is only not reliable because the person has been allowed to falsify their record!

I'm genuinely not clear on what you're arguing. You were concerned that a trans man would be turned away by a HCP if the marker on their healthcare record said male. I am saying that this is easily solved by ensuring that the sex markers accurately said female. Surely this is the whole point of the discussion?

The current guidelines say that transmen are entitled to screening but will not be sent an invitation if they are registered as male so I don't think they do cover the point of how do you ensure that all women with a cervix are invited for a smear test

Registering as you prefer and lying aren't the same thing. If a patient is registered as a male because perhaps for many other reasons they wish to be addressed and treated as such, doesn't mean they aren't honest with their HCP about their biology. The guidelines are more than clear that if you aren't registered as female you won't be automatically called for screening and no trans man in the article are complaining at all. It simply says they weren't called for screening which the CSP already makes clear

Agree - why on earth is there even a discussion about telling the truth to a HCP - it is not only the right thing to do, but the wise thing to do if you want proper treatment.

No, the massive drain on finances and resources comes from the unnecessary rewriting of language and definitions plus the incorrect sex recorded on indiviual medical records. The sorry fact is that some people will quite likely die earlier than they should due to not be included in early screening. Be that cervical, breast, prostate screening. All because the transgender ideology holy grail says we must never speak of a trans person's biological sex.