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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People with a cervix

342 replies

Globules · 28/02/2025 18:20

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

People with a cervix
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 00:19

The trans women I know are feminists

Do they acknowledge that they aren't female?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 00:21

Being gender critical won't die out any more than knowing the earth is a globe will die out, no matter how many flat earthers any of us meet.

Indeed. Simon Edge wrote a book about that!

WillIEverBeOk · 01/03/2025 00:23

Just in relation to people who manipulatively suggest trans is Gay 2.0 and that they are anything alike:

People with a cervix
AnSolas · 01/03/2025 06:44

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 22:45

I won’t answer disrespectful questions about my loved ones. If you’d like to rephrase i’d be happy to talk about it.

Male feminists who use female spaces as if they have a right to be there?

Or male feminists who recognise the importance of sex and single sex spaces?

Or please feel free to expand on their ideology around sex and the way society currently organises social interactions.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/03/2025 07:10

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 23:17

I consider myself an intersectional feminist, not a TERF, but very much a feminist.

It’s disrespectful to talk about people I care about in such a way regardless of your beliefs.

You bang on about people being disrespectful and then you use the word TERF in an attempt at a slur, you really are charming aren’t you?

I am proud to be a TERF if it means trying to protect young, vulnerable, people from the irreversible consequences of this insidious ideology, that you are so keen to cheerlead for. You’re no feminist, you’re a hand maiden.

CocoapuffPuff · 01/03/2025 07:37

Adding a few stupid words is fine by me. If an individual's intelligence is so low that they believe a few magic words changes their body, then a couple of additional words after "women" is an easy attempt to fix it. As long as it's added to "women" and not used to replace it.

if someone decides a few magic words changes their body so much that they no longer need health checks specific to the body they have, that actually hasn't changed - let them.

I used to be concerned. I no longer am. Let them take the consequences.

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:39

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

Kategreenaway · 01/03/2025 07:40

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 22:41

Is that what I said, or does your reading comprehension need some work?

I don’t support anyone being butchered, I do on the other hand support adults making informed choices about their bodies. I support anyone’s decision to do what they need to feel comfortable in their own skin as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

I’m also about to sleep not running for the hills or whatever pp said 😂

That's just it though..transgender ideology does hurt people. It's actually despicable.

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:40

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/02/2025 20:38

Correction: you work with someone who is genetically female and has adopted the very recently coined label 'non-binary'. She may not identify as being female but it's not something you can identify out of. She will remain female to the end of her days and she will always need healthcare from people who know how the patient's sex affects the way their body works.

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

seXX · 01/03/2025 07:42

According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-58515769 from 2021, only women are sent reminders and hospitals/labs get confused by 'men' being referred. Maybe instead of adding pointless extra words to letters/leaflets to make certain people feel more included, the NHS should stop allowing people to change their sex markers on their medical records as they are important and should be factual.

Some people want their cake, eat it and still have someone else's cake!

Myalternate · 01/03/2025 07:42

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 21:07

I don’t see that being the case, but I guess it depends on what circles you’re in- it’s possible for sites like this to become an echo chamber.

I grew up with two young trans people who are now in their 30s and thriving. A relative of my DH is trans and in her 60s (transitioned at 20), and there are young trans men in my family and trans women in my friendship group. They don’t think it’s a strange phase, and neither do we or our friends and family—it’s all pretty normal for us.

Being “gender critical,” as we’re now calling it, isn’t new; it’s just the same repackaged ignorance seen time and time again in times of progression, IMO. I believe it will die back considerably in the same way it did with homophobia as more people grow up with trans people in their lives.

That explains so much…

You’ve been conditioned to believe humans can change their sex. You’ve been exposed to beliefs and behaviours that have shaped your view. You don’t see nor understand reality.
It’s sad. 😔

AnSolas · 01/03/2025 07:50

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:39

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

Well she will have issues as in the UK her legal rights and protections are based on being one of 2 sex and/or one of 2 gender according to the judge who ruled that nonbinary is not recognised as a legal classification.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/03/2025 07:56

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:40

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

Can you not hear how ridiculous that is? ‘Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female’ They ARE all of those things, it’s an indisputable fact, only someone with an extremely tenuous grasp of reality would be unable to understand or accept that. So if this non binary woman needed a female specific operation are you saying that no one would be able to tell her or inform her about it? This ideology makes utter fools of the people who support it.

NotBadConsidering · 01/03/2025 08:20

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:40

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

Clearly you’re new here…send her this way. Always happy to confirm the reality of sex for people who are confused or don’t want to hear it.

TheDogIsMyShadow · 01/03/2025 08:27

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 07:40

Chill out. I didn’t bloody label them 😆 I’m just saying how they identify themselves. Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female. 🤪

Why would we need luck? Facts are facts.

Elmo2025 · 01/03/2025 08:30

NotBadConsidering · 01/03/2025 08:20

Clearly you’re new here…send her this way. Always happy to confirm the reality of sex for people who are confused or don’t want to hear it.

Oh dear. I was simply saying that the nhs letter is probably aimed at non binary and gave an example of someone at my work who is. I did not decide how they identify themselves, nor do I necessarily agree with it or even give a shit - I just choose not to misgender them because it doesn’t bother me whatsoever how someone chooses to identify, literally couldn’t give two hoots. I’m just saying good luck trying to call someone non binary a man or a woman because it’s deeply personal and you’ll end up in an argument/debate - who can be arsed with that? I literally couldn’t care less about someone else’s choice. Literally bin the letter if it bothers you that much.

AnSolas · 01/03/2025 08:57

Anyone want to suggest what wording the Irish health service should have used to replace the word woman [my bolding] in the evidence given about the cancer screening failure?

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/31/enacted/en/print#sec2

Definitions

2. In this Act—

“appropriate person” means—

(a) a relevant woman, or

(b) where a relevant woman has died, a dependant of the relevant woman concerned;

“relevant woman” means—

(a) a woman

(i) identified as part of the Review of Cervical Screening as having CervicalCheck cytology review findings that were discordant with those of the original cytology examination in relation to the woman concerned, or

(ii) whose cytology slides were sought, by the Review of Cervical Screening, to be re-examined as part of its review but where one or more of those slides could not be re-examined as part of that review by reason of circumstances beyond the control of the woman concerned,

or

(b) a woman who received a diagnosis of cervical cancer—

(i) who had a screening history through CervicalCheck,

(ii) whose diagnosis of cervical cancer was notified to CervicalCheck,

(iii) whose cytology slides were re-examined as part of the retrospective CervicalCheck cytology clinical audit, and

(iv) whose cytology review findings, following the re-examination in accordance with subparagraph (iii), were discordant with those of the original cytology examination in relation to the woman concerned;

NotBadConsidering · 01/03/2025 09:02

I’m just saying good luck trying to call someone non binary a man or a woman because it’s deeply personal and you’ll end up in an argument/debate - who can be arsed with that?

Again, you must be new here. Because debating why some people want to pretend they aren’t the sex they are is a key reason this forum exists. People can be arsed with it because I’ve yet to see someone who claims to be non-binary put together any form of cohesive argument. So it’s useful for people to see how nonsensical it all is.

arethereanyleftatall · 01/03/2025 09:35

because it doesn’t bother me whatsoever

@Elmo2025

How far does something not affecting you directly but affecting others extend? Do you never put in charity tins for cancer if you don't have it? Never give to the starving children in Africa because that doesn't affect you whatsoever either?

You are very privileged if this ideology doesn't bother you whatsoever. It means you're probably not one of the 1 in 4 women who've been sexually assaulted by a man, probably not one of the women in prison who was raped by a 'TW' , probably don't have a troubled autistic teenage girl who is being encouraged to chop her tits off to solve her problems. You also likely don't play sport and don't have daughters who play sports.

There are huge numbers of females whom are negatively affected by this hugely misogynistic ideology.

And it starts with you thinking it doesn't matter if you call a male, she.

Just because something doesn't affect us directly, doesn't mean we shouldn't do something to help those it does.

EnchantedForestNearTheRiver · 01/03/2025 09:43

I won’t answer disrespectful questions about my loved ones. If you’d like to rephrase i’d be happy to talk about it.

I wont be rephrasing it. I don’t use the term trans woman.

Why do you think my question was disrespectful?

They factually are men who identify as women. They used to call themselves transvestites then transsexuals.

I recall the demands of them here on mumsnet to be called transwomen. I remember the deletions, the threats, the doxxing and everything else. More than anything I recall them revealing on other sites how it makes them hard when someone calls them a trans woman and I’m not being forced to participate in a fetish.

I am not accusing your loved ones of being this way. Only you will know if they’re as disturbed as we are about the loss of women’s rights, the tra movement and forced language.

So I’ll refer to them in practical terms, men who identify as women. If they’re as much as a feminist as you claim they are they’d understand why.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/03/2025 10:31

Good luck telling someone who is non binary that they’re actually a she/her/woman/female.

But they know they are.

Ingenieur · 01/03/2025 10:32

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 20:39

Some years back, being gay was seen as some kind of outlandish ideology, making it acceptable to ignore or disrespect them and their needs. Now, it’s normal, and homophobes are rightfully condemned. The same is now happening for trans people- it isn’t some fad that’s going to go away.

It absolutely is a fad. It's a shallow linguistic movement with no deeper substance than pretending words mean different things, then pretending that whenever other people used those words in the past they actually meant them the way that was just invented.

It's nothing like being gay. Homosexual acceptance is about being comfortable with who you are, transgender belief is about trying to be who you are not.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/03/2025 10:36

Even if you think that trans men is a mental health issue, is it not still important that they still get the medical care they may need by being able to access a cervical screening test?

Yes, but transmen know they are biologically female. It would take an avanced level of stubborn foolishness to base your choices about which medical care and tests to have on your 'identity' rather than your actual body.

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/03/2025 10:37

But it is referring to women as women. It is referring to other people, eg trans men, who have a cervix, differently.

MarieDeGournay · 01/03/2025 10:38

'Homosexual acceptance is about being comfortable with who you are, transgender belief is about trying to be who you are not.'
So well said, Ingenieur! This is the perfect answer to conflating trans with gay.