People with a cervix

[Globules]

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

Are these the trans women who are also lesbians as well as feminists? No doubt they are better feminists and lesbians than actual women, we really ought to try ‘womanning’ like the trans women. Head tilt anyone?

All of these arguments are tired- most of which also sound like they were made up by the Daily Mail. I think I have made my point so won’t waste more time arguing but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

Honest question, do you really believe that people can change sex? That just by saying that they identify as the opposite sex that it makes it real? Do you believe that trans identified men can become lesbians?

We did listen to transpeople. Like these ones:

https://terfisaslur.com/

That's how we became terfs.

Biology is made up by the Daily Mail is it? I’ve heard it all now 😂😂 isn’t it interesting that once you start asking people who support this ideology the really difficult questions, like how can you support the medical butchering of vulnerable young women, they suddenly take to the hills? Because you can’t ever justify it and you will never find even one of you to admit that you do, because it’s disgraceful that this happens in our so called civilised society. Shame on you.

They seem to have disappeared, I can’t think why?

Normal people who dont believe in biology?

Or normal people who believe in biology and want to change law and social contract to allow their self interest to be prioritised?

Trans people already have the same access to healthcare that we all have in the UK. It is also their right to refuse it, which, sad to say, people with mental-health problems sometimes do.

The trans women I know are feminists and care about women’s rights, are active in the LGBT community and above all just regular people with jobs and families.

Do these men who identify as women use women’s spaces?

Is that what I said, or does your reading comprehension need some work?

I don’t support anyone being butchered, I do on the other hand support adults making informed choices about their bodies. I support anyone’s decision to do what they need to feel comfortable in their own skin as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

I’m also about to sleep not running for the hills or whatever pp said 😂

I've never read the Daily Mail, but if it agrees with LadyBracknellsHandbagg about the importance of sticking to biological fact, it can't be all bad.

It's interesting that you consider 'people disagreeing with you' as 'wasting your time'. If you spent more time on here - and I suspect you may be here only because of the transfer from AIBU - you'd know that we make our own minds up about things like sex and gender, but we do so on the basis of thinking and researching and keeping up to date with developments.

This seems to annoy people. They prefer to make a statement which they can't back up, and then get irate when they're called out on it, and resort to silly suggestions about 'getting out there' [where do you think we live and work, if not 'out there'?] and meeting trans people [we not only have met them, but some of us have them in our families] so we could get enlightened and 'discover they're just normal people'.

There's nothing normal about believing that you can change your sex. It's not normal to build your life around a basic misunderstanding of scientific fact.
It's neither normal nor acceptable to expect society to rearrange itself around your mistaken take on biology.

Knowing that human sex is binary and immutable doesn't depend on whether or not you've met transpeople - but maybe AubernFable thinks that it is only people who have never met a transperson who believe that human sex is binary and immutable.

All those scientists and physicians and geneticists and biologists are so wrong about human sex, XX and XY chromosomes, gametes and all that - probably because they have not followed AubernFable advice, and need to there and just speak to a transgender person, instead of doing all that boring fact-based scientific stuff..

I won’t answer disrespectful questions about my loved ones. If you’d like to rephrase i’d be happy to talk about it.

I won’t answer disrespectful questions about my loved ones. If you’d like to rephrase i’d be happy to talk about it.

I wont be rephrasing it. I don’t use the term trans woman.

That’s not quite the gotcha you seem to think it is, you may believe you have the inside knowledge of trans people but you certainly know absolutely nothing about people with neurodivergence. The fact that they are neurodivergent means that very often they are unable to make informed choices and are highly likely to be influenced by social media and people like you, who certainly don’t have their best interests at heart. You actively support the removal of healthy breasts in support of an insidious ideology - wow, just wow. Ghoulish.

This. With bells 🔔 on!

So you're saying you suggest we get out there and talk to male people in a dress and we'll suddenly 'change our minds' about males being in female spaces. Yeah, right. You don't understand females and how we think at all, do you?

And most of us do know transwomen/people. It is exactly why we take the view we do.

Maybe you should get out there and speak to actual females. Start by visiting a rape crisis centre, and learn why having female only spaces is vital!

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Such slavish deference to these men and their male gaze fantasy act of womanhood shows you're no feminist.

Facts are kryptonite to them. They scurry away. It's pitiful really. Their Ideology never can stand up to scrutiny. And they know it. And they know that we know that they know it.

I won't have batted an eyelid at that wording if it didn't also enable males walking into female changing rooms.

but I would suggest getting out there and speaking to a transgender individual and actually listening to what they have to say. It might be enlightening to discover that they’re just normal people.

Why have you assumed people haven’t spoke to any trans people and they are therefore ignorant? I’ve spoke to many trans people and it’s because of what they say, what they tell me directly that has convinced me it’s a men’s right movement mixed with autogyphelia.

They came here in droves at one time, repeatedly asking what is a woman. I did speak to them, I listened to their misogyny and their bullying. I watched some of the women here fawn over them and thank them profusely for their ridiculous comments. I listened to them manipulate us and say that we don’t care about them and how they’re at risk of being sexually assaulted. Some of them foolishly used the same username for other sites, where their foul pictures confirmed that this was a sexual fetish.

Nobody seems to know these autogyphelia types or be related to them. People only know the harmless “ transwomen” who just wants to pee. Why is that?

Whats your thoughts about autogyphelia? Do you think these men should be accepted as women?

I support anyone’s decision to do what they need to feel comfortable in their own skin as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

Anyone who isn't critical of anorexia, bulimia, breast enlargement, labioplasty, botox, and all the other harmful things that women do to their bodies "to feel comfortable in their own skin" is no feminist. Key to the feminist analysis of women's oppression as a sex class is the recognition that individual women do not make the decision to undergo risky cosmetic surgeries in a vacuum. Neither do we develop eating disorders in a vacuum.

Trans-identifying people do not start wanting cross-sex hormones and surgery in a vacuum. The same critical analysis of what drives these desires is not only appropriate, it is a moral obligation in a world where autistic women and girls want to cut their own healthy breasts off.

as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

Turning yourself into a life-long medical patient consumes healthcare resources and these resources are limited. Transitioning has knock-on effects on healthcare services. You might also consider the effects of transitioning on spouses and children. These women are known as "trans widows" for a reason.

I consider myself an intersectional feminist, not a TERF, but very much a feminist.

It’s disrespectful to talk about people I care about in such a way regardless of your beliefs.

I cannot reply to everyone tonight, I do apologise and will be back tomorrow after some sleep.

Back tomorrow with more of the same drivel!