Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

[NotAtMyAge]

Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

Archive version: https://archive.ph/lsriA

Stop Press: just seen that the earlier tweets about Mary Lockhart, board member and sister of cross-dresser Patricia, has been unfairly maligned. She has done good work for women and is thought to be GC. Pitchforks down, everyone. Wings over Scotland have issued a retraction.

Sandie wont be allowed to have external legal in the room as most policy limit it to a union rep (on staff or nor) or an other member of staff. She could argue that as the first case is going through the court (which has a higher power / status to the Er) that she need legal to ensure natural justice (her not going to jail for contempt of court)

As foe Jane Russell she is doing a job.
Loosing when your side is a shitshow comes down to how well you one can defend the shit (rather nice browns not too bad a smell)
So the misgendering is bad but most case law is likely to support Sandie's position as she has rights that clash with another ee's rights but thats an Er problem not hers to solve.

I reported my post sharing the Wings tweet.

Though I'm finding it very hard to believe there is a GC board member at NHS Fife.

Nope the man (assumption) involved was posting on X looking for like minded persons to go to court and "arrest" anyone misgendering (i cant locate the thread rhe X-post was on)

But there is a thread here about it

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274016-express-challenges-ipso-on-pronouns?page=2

OMG 😲

But the SNP will entirely support this.
I have a female yp who wants to go into nursing in NHS Scotland & this wrong- headedness worries me a lot. The SNP thinking is wrong (& they will win here next time as Farage is much too English to appeal). It is applied by local authorities who then double down & severely punish anyone who doesn't fall in line.

And, Sandie, if you are reading this please know I am talking to my YP's & their friends about your situation. They've come through High School listening to all the lovely 'inclusion & diversity' stuff (my female yp runs the 'diversity club'). They don't yet grasp that the SNP considers women to be 2nd class citizens. I'm talking to then about this before they vote! I wish you strength to continue your (correct) path

Akua Reindorf has said that these cases are like the early days of the Race Relations Act. Employers are publicly flouting the law and stating their prejudice because they don't realise they are acting illegally. This is why we're winning the cases.

But in this case the discrimination is out of this world. This must already have cost them well into six figures and will cost even more by the time Sandie is vindicated.

Whilst I agree with this advice, it occurs to me that if she still lives in the area Sandie’s gp will be an employee of NHS Fife. Would he/she feel under any pressure not to be seen to support her? Getting signed off with stress does require a subjective decision on the part of the person signing the note.
Just a thought.

It would be to GC women's benefit if people could refrain from speculation about individuals and their family members etc.

I always put my head in my hands when I read all the "they've got a trans child/brother" etc as that doesn't necessarily dictate their views, and even if it did, it's not fair to blame them for things others have said or done.

Unless things are different in Scotland Sandie’s GP will not be an employee of NHS Fife or subject to their HR rules.
GPs are usually either partners- self employed GPs who hold a contract with NHS to provide NHS services or a salaried GP- they are employed but by the partners of a practice in the same way receptionist or practice nurse is.

Yes none of this surprises me at all.

To be clear Fife would still have to pay any compensation the ET ordered. The lawyer on RoF points out, correctly, that the ET only has power to make recommendations (eg that R makes changes to its policy) that will affect the C. If C is no longer an employee then they are not affected.
It is not possible to make assumptions from other similar looking cases. It depends on the facts. It would be different for example if R is the C's professional regulator.

Absolutely, this is a strong argument to clarify in law what 'single sex' means as a changing room or toilet used by penis havers and women is not single sex!

One UK nursing school added a "how to deal with (illegal) medical experiments of males with surgical implanted embryo in a transplanted uterus" in their maternity care lessons.

So the medical field need to up their game too.

If the ET awards damages for unfair dismissal based partly on a finding that Fife's CR policies contravene sex discrimination law, wouldn't they just be inviting a Spartacus moment from every single other female employee? Do they have a death wish?

If the ET awards damages for unfair dismissal based partly on a finding that Fife's CR policies contravene sex discrimination law, wouldn't they just be inviting a Spartacus moment from every single other female employee? Do they have a death wish?

God knows. I think they're nuts. I can't find any explanation for this that makes sense.

What I really don't understand is how a person who doesn't believe in gender identity can actually misgender?

I believe some people believe they have gender IDs and that the pronouns they use refer to them. I accept that those people are capable of "misgendering". But when I say "she" or "he" I mean sex. When I say "they" - which I do quite a bit - I mean either plural, or general non-specific, or I specifically don't want to draw attention to sex.

I don't understand how there can be legislation around something where the same words mean completely different things to different people.

Surprise! Things are different in Scotland. GPs are NHS staff.

Though I'm finding it very hard to believe there is a GC board member at NHS Fife.

Maybe she is in on operation let them speak and feels that the only way of getting this batshit gender woo removed is expensive consequences for NHS Fife.

They're not "debating" it. They've already passed the motion already that TWAW is their official stance.

My GP friends in Scotland are self employed.

Nhs Fife really have decided to scuttle the entire fleet over this, haven't they?

For one man.

For one single solitary snivelling man.

Most oppressed my fat arse.

It will interesting to see how red Scotland goes this time on the 'Map of Anger'

@Boiledbeetle
How do you sign that petition?,