Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

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Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

Archive version: https://archive.ph/lsriA

Apologies she's a board member not trustee.

For those not on Twitter, it would seem that Councillor Mary Lockhart, one of the board members and a very big character from the sound of it (seems to be a lesbian and have involvement in Women's Aid and other 'interesting' things) has a brother 'Patricia' who is on social media celebrating his life as a transsexual. Not often we hear that word these days. He declares how he loves dressing as a woman every day. Google and you may find.

So NHS Fife think that can discipline someone for an act outside of their workplace that was sanctioned by a Judge! WTF!!

I don't really see how that works. Surely sacking just leads to a potential unfair dismissal claim, and if she wins the current tribunal proceedings that will effectively mean they have no defence?

Yes, they lose and they suck up the damages in her case, but they think they don't have to change their policy, which the commenter on RoF thinks is not a settled matter of law.

But if they have a finding against them, failing to change their policy leaves them wide open to a re-run from someone else which, again, they could not win.

The plot sickens further - there has been a complaint of "misgendering " made to police about Scottish Daily Express who have been reporting on the case using sex based pronouns.

I can't help but this these actions are all in response to Peggies team requesting Uptons phone.

They are seriously all losing the plot.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-express-reported-police-referring-34687715

How can we help/support Sandie?

I get the impression Sandie is well supported.

Talk to everyone about this case - shine the light on what is happening.

In court under cross-examination or for prior instructing her legal team iwould be a problem

Her stating he was a man before that to staff involved directly while explaining why she did not want to be in a room with a man would imo fall within a HR policy of informal grievance process which most policy have.

1. try work it out between you both (told stop and they do)
2. ask a manager to mediate (once stopped no formal record needed)
3. if not resolved /happens again ask the job for the formal process. Bad act > apology accepted > both move on

So even some of the conversations directly with the man had to include that his changing in the womans changing room created a problem for her.
So while as a individual the man may feel it was hurtful the woman is making it clear that it is not just a personal attack and that the same expectation would be applied to all men.

So if it was only around the CR issue and not generic the hospital would have a problem.

Same problem timing and with her not wanting to work with an individual who is sexually harrassing her. She said stop yet he continued.

This whole case shows the problems around rhe idea that mental state trumps biology.

He has stated that not only should Sandie pretended in the CR but also in A&E where a woman asks for same sex provision medical care Sandie should call him in to attend.

Exactly this. Spread the word, mention it to people who are unaware of it.

https://archive.ph/oEONv

Archive of the Wings article.

But if they have a finding against them, failing to change their policy leaves them wide open to a re-run from someone else which, again, they could not win.

Indeed.

Unbelievable.

As Michael Foran says in the article, "we have learnt that NHS Fife is holding an internal conduct hearing this week to determine whether or not Sandie Peggie committed alleged acts of harassment that NHS Fife have already argued she is guilty of in open court." !

That comments concerning that board member are not fair. On this thread last night there were quotes from her social media and posts from an MNer local to her which clearly indicate if she's on any 'side' it's the GC one.

Didn't Roz Adams and Rachel Meade respectively get, as part of their judgement, a commitment to change policy from their former employer? In Roz's case, it was a promise to correctly define "women" (which RCS are ignoring, but still).

So I am a bit surprised if what the lawyer poster on ROF says is correct.

EDITED to correct reference to pp.

Excellent- I look forward to her speaking to the rest of NHS Fife board and drumming some sense into them.

Yes I think there's no actual evidence that that woman is responsible for Fife's shite.

Didn't Roz Adams and Rachel Meade respectively get, as part of their judgement, a commitment to change policy from their former employer? In Roz's case, it was a promise to correctly define "women" (which RCS are ignoring, but still).

So I am a bit surprised if what the lawyer poster on ROF says is correct.

Yes, I agree, and they did.

It’s more like a Monty Python sketch than anything resembling actual judicial process. I feel so sorry for Ms Peggie. But agree with previous poster than the longer the madness goes on, the more sunlight will shine onto the craziness. Let’s keep talking about it so everyone knows exactly what NHS Fife are doing.

Sandie has refused to be bullied into submission so the punishment must be escalated.

Burn the witch.

I think Sandie is already very well supported, but I'm sure if she needs extra help Nicole will let us know. This is, from the GC pov, going fantastically well. Dr Upton played a blinder and showed the world that TRAs aren't sweet, victimised, misunderstood folk who just want to pee. Esther Davidson was suitably contradictory and demonstrated her bias, as well as landing Kate Searle and Isla Bumba in the poo. This new plot twist will end up with more people being held liable for the madness.

The problem with talking about this case to people who aren't aware of it is they don't believe you at first because it sounds so bloody far-fetched!

I've peaked a few though.

Is Dr Upton still on the sick?

The details matter. The point is that the ET only has power to make recommendations eg a change in policy which affect the claimant ( the law changed about 10 years ago). If the claimant is no longer employed by the respondent they will by definition not be affected. It is different if the respondent is their professional regulator.

Edited for clarity

The point is that at the moment they believe they can do this again and again and again because firstly they can simply settle claims with other people's money, ie the tax-payer's, and secondly they don't expect to receive any sanction for such an abuse of power. It's all fine because they're on The Right Side of History.