Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

[NotAtMyAge]

Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

Archive version: https://archive.ph/lsriA

Who could have predicted that the tide would turn in to a tsunami in an obscure AnE department in Fife.

Sandie, if you are reading this, I know you have been suspended but say you are too well to attend because of stress. They can't do the misconduct hearing if you are unwell.

Surely they cant go ahead until the Tribunal has finished its hearing.

There is a clear case of not being able to hold a truely fair disciplinary.

Although on the other hand if they go ahead and this fact is then included in the Tribunal, it will only make Fife NHS look totally untrained in good work place practice.

They must be mad to go ahead.

Have they slapped a Confidentiality agreement on her?

Fife does appear to be captured to the point no discussion can take place. Sandie has questioned that which cannot be questioned.
Do they want to dip her in a river until she confesses her sin of not seeing a man with dysphoria as a woman?

Blimey!

I would guess that this will galvanise the person funding Sandie to even further generosity, and if speculation is correct, that will take Sandie as far as she needs to go.

And again, Blimey!

I cannot understand the thinking (or lack thereof) within NHS Fife HR department that considers it a sensible idea to be scheduling this disciplinary hearing in the middle of an employment tribunal concerning the very same issues.

It's farcical!!

This is absolute madness, what do they hope to achieve?

They will be accusing her drowning kittens next. It seems desperate on their part, they just want to get for anything.

Maybe the plan is intimidation so she backs down and cannot face any of it. That or a quick sacking and damage limitation afterwards.
I think they continually underestimate her. She knows she's right and that women aren't a feeling in a man's head.

here here

To be honest I’m surprised that you are surprised at this?

I’m taking my employer to an employment tribunal who are very similar to the NHS in terms of size and being a government department. Public sector organisations think they are the law.

They think their internal processes trump everything else.

There would be no doubt in my mind that the NHS or my employer would continue to carry out biased disciplinary investigations against employment tribunal claimants. There is no incentive for them not to. They will just use their findings to go to the tribunal and state their internal investigation upheld that the claimant has no claim at an employment tribunal and did not engage with them. It’s an attempt to circumvent litigation and put themselves in a stronger position.

And to add to this, the personal crowdfunder for her, where she said she would donate it to charity, if she needs the money now for legal fees or for herself, I hope people will not be upset if she changes her decision about how its used.

Though I think in the first place the money was for her for the insane stress this whole witch-hunt put her through, and it must be tough to suddenly become a public figure.

This is insane. What if internal misconduct hearing clears her? Wouldn't that leave Fife's arse in the breeze. Also if they find her guilty of patient neglect regarding the incidents eventually fabricated reported by Upton. He'll also be guilty because they should have been reported immediately, not sat on for months.

What will this mean for the Darlington nurses case? Can they say a man is a man or will their trust retaliate against them too?

How on earth could anyone be so dumb to see how strong Sandie has been through this and how much support she has and decide to do this as if this will break her

If they go on like this it wont be a sole piper escorting her into court, but a massed pipe band
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5183161/nhs-fife-employment-tribunal-dundee-sandie-peggie-piper/

It’d be interesting to know how much the NHS is spending on this pursuit of Ms Peggie.

How many hip or knee replacements could they have done with the cost of this harrying of Ms Peggie?

Is getting rid of her so important to them? It’s a demonstration of the worst aspects of public service bodies and the embedding of institutional sexism.

It's digging the knife in isn't it, nothing more nothing less.

All part of the struggling NHS we are told about isn't it?

I am disgusted that Unison are debating whether Trans women are women. Unison seems to have abandoned women. In the light of Sandi’s Peggie’s case, the thought that biological men can enter a woman’s changing rooms, claim harassment and then get a woman suspended is ridiculous. As a health professional, biology is a fact not an option. I have been sexually abused by a colleague as I’m sure many have. This poses an opportunity for abuse. It is union backed institutional abuse. Unison need to support women. Where was Sandie’s union???

I also would love to know who signed off on that decision. That old MumsNet phrase “Are you on glue?” seems to fit the bill.

Where/When was the misgendering supposed to have occurred? Does it include when she was being cross examined?

Absolutely scandalous

i hope this gets enough light that they make this into a tv series similar to Mr Bates vs The Post Office and Peggy gets a fat fee for being a consultant

What an absolute shower of bastards - they should be ashamed.

You've definitely got that one wrong.

The rollonfriday thread is here:

https://www.rollonfriday.com/discussion/worst-possible-legal-specialism

The post @joanofaardvark referred to is:

What I personally would guess on what you’ve just posted is that Fife’s lawyers have realised if she’s not an employee the Tribunal has no power to make recommendations if she wins in July (ie to change policy following a finding it is unlawful) and so have assessed sacking her now is better than letting her win. It will be expensive, and be paid for by us as taxpayers, but they think it’s the best way of protecting their reputation and remaining committed to The Right Side Of History.

It also explains the otherwise baffling refusal to disclose documents expressly ordered for disclosure by the Tribunal, when you realise they do actually really think getting the hearing to go part-heard was all they needed for

I hope they’ve misjudged this, because the law on ordering recommendations relating to successful claims of discrimination from former employees is not settled law by any means. I think if an ET thinks Fife have done what I allege they’ll find for Peggie and make Fife take it to the EAT.

It’s a very high-stakes gamble, given the allegations appear to relate to a very long time ago. Hard to see how it isn’t going to be nailed on unlawful discriminatory dismissal and victimisation. Trouble is even with final salary pension costs the Trust are happy to spend our money continuing unlawful policies.

Who are their legal advisors?!?!

What the hell are they thinking?!?!