Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

[NotAtMyAge]

Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

Archive version: https://archive.ph/lsriA

I like this question very much.

'How do I become a transwoman?'

Another reminder that it is half term. Attention seeking children are sometimes best ignored.

And asking what does SP think a man might do?

SP is a nurse with 30 years experience including A&E, all those Friday evenings when the aggressive drunks and the rape victims come in for care, all those battered women who come in time after time to get bruises and fractures treated, all those stories she heard from victims about the sex abusers, including entitled males in the hospital she works in, how they started small with voyeurism and exhibitionism and frottage and escalated. She knows all about it, her working life was spent in the middle of it. She doesn't need to 'think', she knows.

Women have a right not to be forced to strip in front of men in search of a power kick. Or worse.

What did this man do?

He told us himself - He wanted this woman to change in front of him so much that he made notes on his phone when she didn't.

And it's likely he'd have offered her a tampon as she was bleeding heavily. Which would make me wan tto put bleach in my ears and eyeballs.

I'm going to disagree because that didn't happen. I think his actual behaviour in that situation really marks him out as a man. If a woman asked another woman for some privacy because she needed to deal with period-related stuff, any woman would have said "yes, right, okay, fine" and perhaps "do you need anything" and then immediately given her the privacy.
The fact that he didn't is just another indication that he's a man, he doesn't think like women think, he has zero experience of that situation.

(To be clear, there are other reasons why he's a man! I'm just singling out his male behaviour here)

Do you understand what permission is?

Do you understand the legal consequences in the UK if a person sticks body parts or objects inside or on another person without permission?

Do you understand that the fellow medical professional needed permission from Sandie to be in a room while she undressed?

Do you understand that the fellow medical professional needed permission from Sandie to enter a room she is in and begin to undress?

Do you understand that even if Sandie worked as a stripper in a strip club that the exact same rules would apply?

The Doctor has clearly proved in open court that he is an unsafe fellow medical professional

• He has proven that he will lie under oath about his clinical ability (or at least one hopes it was a lie not that the hopsital allowed a medical professional with a low standard of being able to differentite between female and male humans work in an A&E department)
• He has said under oath that he would examine women or carry out uncomfortable or intimate medical procedures without any permission to do so.
• He has said under oath that he would expect that fellow medical professional would facilitate the unlawful conduct of examining women or carry out uncomfortable or intimate medical procedures without any permission to do so.

Or are you suggesting that NHS Fife would also as a organisation facilitate assaults including sexual assaults on women who attend their hospitals?

If there's no threat in a changing room why did Upton even need to use the women's. Or to take it to it's conclusion why even have separate changing rooms? Or changing rooms at all?

Repeatedly calling someone a man who identifies as a woman is clapped behaviour

WTF is “clapped behaviour” when it’s at home?

I'd clap that behaviour!

“clapped behaviour” truthful behavior worthy of applause would be my guess.

I don't feel that this is being asked in good faith, but anyway...
Women generally don't want to deal with menstruation, or with underwear/clothing blood-stained by menstruation, in the presence of a man - any man, their husband, the most saintly man in the world, etc.
Most decent men would understand this.
It isn't necessarily about what they are going to 'do'. It's that women are allowed to have boundaries. Back to you to explain why women aren't allowed to have any boundaries...

Yes, a theoretical 'understanding of menstruation' is going to be limited to a knowledge of the function (and I wonder could Upton even have had that and not known what 'female' means, maybe that module happened during Covid and he missed it). No knowledge at all of the experience.

Just as asking 'what [Sandie Peggie] thought the doctor was supposedly going to do' is taking naivety too far.

As I pointed out upthread, 30 years working in a busy hospital has shown her, even more than most women, exactly what entitled men hostile to women 'do'.

The nurse is brave and sensible for correctly sexing him. The judge gave permission for his sex to be openly discussed in the tribunal hearing, because it's central to the whole case. I think you'll find that Stonewall's influence is rapidly waning as far as the ordinary man and woman in the street are concerned. Certainly public attitudes are turning against the overreach of trans activist demands, according to the latest YouGov poll in the subject, published a week ago.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

‘Technically she is a man’ and ‘calling your colleague a man is anti social behaviour’ so calling a man a man is antisocial?? What sort of garbled sentence is that, it’s not only factually incorrect, it’s ludicrous. People can’t change sex, no one is born in the wrong body, this man’s insistence that he’s now a woman doesn’t have to be verified or accepted by anyone else. If as a qualified medical professional he can’t even accurately define his own sex then how is he supposed to treat the general public?

WTF is “clapped behaviour” when it’s at home?

I've come across this poster before, and they appear to speak mainly in 2022 Twitter-speak.

I find it truly worrying that a Doctor believes he has changed his sex, he surely knows this is scientifically impossible?!

The fact is that he knows damn well he is male, but wants to insist that everyone else goes along with his pretence, no matter what it might cost them.

Then there's the no small matter of the fetishisation of menstruation by trans identified males, which would make me even less inclined to deal with anything period related around them.

You just can't tell it's half term at the moment, can you? Is Reddit down or sommat?

I know it didn't happen. I'm quoting the fetishist men who say they are women, who dream of the day they are asked for a tampon because it makes them a real woman.

https://x.com/judgejules75/status/1519693366405050376?s=61

Single-sex spaces became the norm for three reasons of which safety is only one. The other two are privacy and dignity. Even if Upton or any other man is totally harmless and trustworthy, his presence in a place where women undress and are vulnerable offends against their privacy and dignity. As far as I know, the only person who spoke in that tribunal hearing about feeling unsafe is Upton and that's because Sandie justifiably would not accept that he is a woman just because he claims to be one.

This male doctor actually thinks he can call himself a biological female because he is biological and identities as a woman. The man neither understands biology nor the way the English language works, I wouldn't trust him to dress himself, let alone have any confidence that he understands menstruation 😂

For all the huffing and puffing, this is a case of someone wishing to have punished a menstruating woman who did not wish to undress in front of them. That is the behaviour of a sicko.

Sorry you misunderstood slightly my husband has a dsd which does mean in his case it isn't a simple xy male, he does at least have 2 x chromosomes unlike the good doctor.

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus But to be male he must also have a y does he not?

A bit like the runner Caster Semsenter. Very little female about him. Why the IOC allowed him and others who I can't remember compete in female running is beyond me. They should have done chromosome testing. The man has fathered children regardless of his birth cert saying female.

To be factual we know that Semenya's wife, Violet Raseboya, has two children and that at least one was conceived by artificial insemination.

We know that Semenya has internal testes as Semenya has said so.

It is a fact that some men with 5-ARD, which is the DSD Semenya has, can father children through assisted reproduction.

We do not know for absolutely certain that Semenya fathered Violet Raseboya's children.