Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

[NotAtMyAge]

Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

Archive version: https://archive.ph/lsriA

The petition for 'Fully Repeal the Gender Recognition Act' is over 10k and government have to respond (maybe wakeup and read the room). Sorry if previously posted, but it's good news 🥳

Scotland has gone a nice red, England, Wales and NI are a bit peely wally.
Come on rUK get on board!

Gay nurses, eh? Is that like the gay actor, who put his gay penis on women's shoulders? Who thought it was a great joke.

Because all women love to have a gay cocktail shoved in their faces.

And in this case, it's a heterosexual doctor, not a gay nurse.

I have thanked you for this post, because it is absolute <chef's kiss> Right Side of History perfection Please educate the thread with more of these pearls of Righteous wisdom.

Unclear whether you are referring to gay male nurses (inappropriate in women's change rooms because male) or lesbian nurses (appropriate in women's change rooms because female).
We dont split change rooms on sexual orientation. We do it on sex.
Lesbians aren't men or male in anyway. They're women. Gay men aren't women or female in anyway. They're men.
Fairly fed up with hearing the same old tired homophobic tropes trotted out. I'd thought we'd put this shit behind us but nope, along comes the trans movement and suddenly sexist and homophobic stereotypes are in vogue again.

I think the one-post plopper has received more than enough feedback already, nothing to add there.
I'm glad the NHS trust went homewards tae think again about the wisdom of having a misconduct procedure in the middle of the Tribunal.

Tbh my money is on them thinking that it would quietly be over and not end up with the general public having a day by day play on BBC with 'season 2' in July.

And playing judge is not a great idea when there is an actual Judge who can send you to actual jail. I am guessing NHS dont have a HR policy for that holiday.

I'm not on the main tribunal threads as they move too fast for me to read - is there any update on this misconduct meeting situation?

NHS Fife decided not to go ahead with it at the moment.

Cursed autocarrot, that shouldn't have been cocktail...

Aye only because Sandie, or her lawyer requested it was held off until after the tribunal.

I do not it wasn't NHS Fife that put it on hold.

They'd just re-arrange it a few times then hear it in her absence eventually. They are hell bent on dismissing her in my opinion. It's utter madness, should never have got to this stage, dreadfully poor leadership.
Why are the nursing unions not striking because of the conditions their female nurses are forced to work under - getting changed in front of/with biological men?

Have I got the chronology right? they issued the threat of a misconduct hearing, scheduled for the end of the week, and then withdrew it within the space of a couple of? few? days?

That sounds like harassment - they must have known that a hearing could not have taken place at such short notice, and during an ET.

It has all the appearance of being done to harass, further distress, unsettle and possibly punish SP.

If you are going to send it, it's "women's changing room".

I'm surprised the main nursing unions have not rallied their membership to go on strike over this change to their female nurses' working conditions - biological men using female changing rooms.

Were they trying to lure SP into acting in contempt of court, thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for it? They picked the wrong stalwart middle-aged woman.

How captured are the nursing unions?

I know Unison, the biggest union in healthcare, is full-on TWAW - see this thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271946-unison-womens-conference-motion-trans-women-are-women-as-nurses-battle-nhs-for-single-sex-facilities?page=1

I was wondering about that 😀 a gay cocktail🍹 didn't sound too bad. Although not when working.

It of course was NHS Fife that decided not to run the disciplinary procedure that they had previously decided to run. NHS Fife have reported that they made this decision at the request of SP's legal team.

I'm giving NHS Fife no credit at this time, my personal guess is that they realised that this was going down like a dog's fart at a perfume counter on social media and took the easy way out.

Apologies if this has been discussed but I can’t find it.

NHS Scotland has a Whistleblowing Policy that NHS Fife is signed up to. https://workforce.nhs.scot/policies/whistleblowing-policy/

It distinguishes whistleblowing from a grievance. Whistleblowing is about public interest whereas a grievance relates to just the individual who is complaining. It seems to me that Sandie Peggie’s point has been treated as a grievance when actually it is whistleblowing.

The whistleblowing policy in the Procedures section includes unsafe working conditions, breaking any legal obligation and abusing authority. It also includes deliberately trying to cover up any of the above.

Notably, whistleblowers are to be treated with care. “It can be stressful and isolating to raise a concern, but when someone does raise a concern, they are trusting the organisation and giving it an opportunity to put right a wrongdoing or reduce risk. The organisation must repay this trust by protecting the person throughout the process and making sure they do not suffer any harm as a result of speaking up.”

There is a lot more in the full document. But I was struck by how if NHS Fife had handled this as a whistleblowing issue instead of individuals making decisions on the fly, this would have been a much more honest thoroughgoing process.

It distinguishes whistleblowing from a grievance. Whistleblowing is about public interest whereas a grievance relates to just the individual who is complaining. It seems to me that Sandie Peggie’s point has been treated as a grievance when actually it is whistleblowing.

I think one of the original claims against Fife in the tribunal is on the grounds of whistleblowing.

Twas funny though🤣

I thing your auto predickion was judging you.

(my autocarrot had gave up its will to live while trying to find Pendants Corner but its lost in Irelands biggest Lingerie Style and Beauty 🤷‍♀️)

But it's transphobic. The doctor is a transwomen and has ever right to be in the female dressing room. We have 2 in our dressing room, no one cares. There is no threat in a dressing room and people who think their is should go to therapy.

But it's transphobic. The doctor is a transwomen and has ever right to be in the female dressing room. We have 2 in our dressing room, no one cares. There is no threat in a dressing room and people who think their is should go to therapy.

Is this satire?

I love how obvious it is that none of you work in healthcare. The nurse is disgusting for misgendering her. It's out job to keep up to date on medical issues and she is clearly ignorant to it so I wouldn't want her touching any patient of mine.