Sandie Peggie facing internal misconduct hearing this week!

[NotAtMyAge]

Utterly mind-blowing to read that NHS Fife is pressing ahead with a disciplinary hearing this Friday against Sandie Peggie, despite the Employment Tribunal not having completed its work. Sandie isn't taking this lying down and has started separate legal proceedings according to The Telegraph, which also includes the stunned reaction of Michael Foran to the news in its report.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ea111fbd4a9af5a6

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Goodie 🙄 a professional standards testing opportunity!!

▪︎ Do you currently have enough clinical experience to determine if you are female or if you are male?

▪︎ Do you currently have enough clinical experience to determine if a patient is female or male?

▪︎ Was the nurse a female or a male?

▪︎ Was the doctor a female or a male?

[ if your answers to the questions above were not Yes, Yes, Female, Male ; please provide detailed working to support your answers]

Your patient asks that she be attended by female staff.

▪︎ Do you stay if you are male?

▪︎ Do you stay if you think you may not be female?

▪︎ If you are female, do you ask for Sandie or other female nursing staff or do you ignore the patient and ask for male staff to attend?

▪︎ If you are male, do you ask for Sandie or other female nursing staff or do you ignore the patient and ask for other male staff to attend?

▪︎ If you are female, do you ask for this male doctor Beth or do you request his supervisor a female doctor or any other female doctor or do you ignore the patient and ask for another male doctor to attend?

▪︎ If you are male, do you ask for this male doctor Beth or do you request his supervisor a female doctor or any other female doctor or do you ignore the patient and ask for another male doctor to attend?

can anybody actually answer what the nurse thought the doctor was supposedly going to do though? Again this is a medical professional who probably has a thorough understanding of menstruation…

or let’s just look or rationally, she just hates trans people and saw it as an opportunity to harass the doctor?

its all confirmation bias, in some people’s minds all trans women are sickos sex attackers etc so this doctor MUST be one and the nurse MUST be a gender critical warrior as opposed to plain old bully. Repeatedly calling someone a man who identifies as a woman is clapped behaviour, it’s weird and if you think it’s not then it paves the way for open hatred and violence to trans women.

willing to bet majority of people in this corner of the internet are married to men too, but let me guess yours is one of the good ones. But all trans women are bad.
logicccc

They assume that Sandie is the "baddie" for being "transphobic" and therefore Fife must be pursuing a case against her for being a baddie.

They have done next to no reading about the case but love to jump in with their ill-informed opinions.

Definitely doesn’t sound like she just hates trans people :/ why not just own it and admit you just hate trans people rather than jumping through hoops by being like oh well technically she is a man blah blah.

I first knew a transexual person two decades ago. I no more hate trans people than I do any other human who shares a different belief system to me. Quite the opposite; tolerance and mixing with people from different backgrounds is hugely important in my life.

But fuck me, the picture of a "trans person" that some so called trans allies paint certainly is worthy of deep criticism, and perhaps pity. Not all trans people disregard boundaries! Behaving in a male pattern abusive manner is absolutely NOT inherent to a trans identity!

Oh dear.

What a scrambled mess!! 😆

Oh for crying out loud.

Not enough eye rolls in the world for this one.

Women have the right to say no to getting naked in front of male strangers. Whether those male strangers are doctors, colleagues or anyone else for that matter.

It's astonishing that some people - including some women - don't seem to think this is the case.

okay @Begaydocrime94 , I asked someone else this, now I ask you: have you been physically sexually assaulted by a male, and what age were you when that happened?

It's not about what she thought the male doctor was going to do.

It's about what the male doctor was actually doing.

Using the women's changing rooms in the full knowledge that female colleagues didn't consent to getting changed in the company of a male person.

PS - yes I'm married to a man and don't see the relevance. I don't believe he should be entitled to use women's changing rooms because other women haven't consented to getting naked in front of him, even if I have.

Calling a male person a man when they identify as a woman is simply using factually accurate language. We don't have to affirm people's beliefs about themselves.

Don't feed the trolls.
They've clearly come over from Reddit

ODFOD

women (of the actual cunty kind not the kind dr upon imagines himself to) are entitled to privacy & dignity which includes not revealing their bloody period knickers to men however nicely plucked their eyebrows might be

we are allowed our own single sex changing spaces by law

and we couldn’t give a flying fuck how dr Upton feels.

It's almost a relief that the RSOH flying monkeys have finally turned up, isn't it? I mean, it took 21 threads for us to be Wrong enough for them to need to come and scold us!

Someone reckoned it's half-term/Spring break/mid-term break and the faux-naive posters are children who [edit in] DON'T realise how dumb they look.

I like your way with words @Theeyeballsinthesky 😆

My husband is one of the good ones, fancy getting undressed in front of him, or him you? - you'll probably say you don't care but in reality you would. But one thing is true my husband has more right to be in that women's changing room than Dr Upton but he has enough decency to stay out because he is read as male (is male) despite his chromosomes.

That’s a weird question. Yep, by a family member from the ages of 7-11. It caused me horrific trauma that affects me to this day.

not sure why you needed to know that but yeah

I get the point you're making but I disagree with the idea that any male person has more right than any other male person to be in women's spaces.

The beginning and end of the conversation should be that no male person (other than small boys being cared for by their mother) has any right to be in women's spaces whatsoever, for any reason.

It doesn't matter now nice, nasty, big, small, straight, gay, masculine, feminine, vulnerable or oppressed they are. They're not our problem.

I hope everyone has their bingo cards out. I think we’ll be hitting some full houses very soon with our visitors from Reddit

can anybody actually answer what the nurse thought the doctor was supposedly going to do though? Again this is a medical professional who probably has a thorough understanding of menstruation…

or let’s just look or rationally, she just hates trans people and saw it as an opportunity to harass the doctor?

its all confirmation bias, in some people’s minds all trans women are sickos sex attackers etc so this doctor MUST be one and the nurse MUST be a gender critical warrior as opposed to plain old bully. Repeatedly calling someone a man who identifies as a woman is clapped behaviour, it’s weird and if you think it’s not then it paves the way for open hatred and violence to trans women.

willing to bet majority of people in this corner of the internet are married to men too, but let me guess yours is one of the good ones. But all trans women are bad.
logicccc

No one is buying this shite any more. It's all going to be undone, eventually, because these charades were never going to be sustainable. Women are taking our stuff back. "Trans women" can get their own spaces if they don't want to share with other members of their sex.

So consider how that experience, and the knowledge and memory of it, shared by most women, informs our need for female-only spaces when we are undressed or otherwise vulnerable.

But all trans women are bad.

No, they're just men. HTH.

It's not a weird question at all.

Surely you can understand why women who have been abused by men don't want to get changed in the company of male strangers.

can anybody actually answer what the nurse thought the doctor was supposedly going to do though?

It's a trick question, Begaydocrime94, because - He had already done it!

He is biologically male, and he insisted on using the changing rooms intended for biological females.

Anybody who does that has already signalled a disrespect for his female colleagues, so he didn't actually have to do anything else. He doesn't have to be a 'sicko' or 'sex attacker' or anything else you suggest. He's just a biological male in a female changing area.

The fact that he's a doctor and should know that humans can't change sex, and that it's statistically likely that at least some of his female colleagues want their single sex spaces respected, suggest that he has an agenda in insisting on his 'right' to be there.

BTW I never considered for one nanosecond having a husband of any kind, good or bad, Begaydocrime94, so I don't fit your stereotype - does that make you view my opinion differently?

Actually statistically women are most at risk from men they know because those men have the most access and opportunity, and are more likely to be around a woman whilst she is vulnerable.

Safeguarding principles are tricky to enact in personal relationships (and abusers don't wear pin badges announcing the fact) so women have to try and deduce which men are unsafe. Disregarding boundaries is a classic, huge, red flag. This Dr you're supporting has already done enough to be called out as abusive and misogynist. Personally I think it's because they're male. It's you that seem obsessed with this being part of their trans identity.

Outside of the home society uses safeguarding strategies, including single sex provisions, in an attempt to mitigate the risk that men AS A CLASS pose to women.

Dude, you're taking the existence of safeguarding verrrry personally. Is there a reason for this?

Edit to add: Sandie Peggie would deserve to be able to get changed away from the presence of a male even if she were a not nice person. Even if her right to freedom were curtailed (jail) she'd deserve safeguarding.

The doctor is male. And had no right whatsoever to be in the female changing space.

It's not me who needs therapy, you misogynistic piece of shit!