Public opinion turning against transgender ideology yougov poll

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https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.
In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.'

Well worth a read and hopefully a sign of the direction of travel with this issue.

You mean... it was all a big fib? Gosh, who would have thought!

Surely 'any kind of intervention' will include vaginoplasty but also mastectomies, which no doubt make up most of the 34% quoted for the UK.
Seems Orca dissembles

Have you undergone any kind of intervention to change your body so it better matches your gender identity?

In fact, surely this would include cross-sex hormones too???

Or hair removal.

But I assume also just hormones, puberty blockers, facial surgeries, breast implants, hair transplants, hair removal.

Cross post.

Yes, I assume any kind of intervention could cover anything.

That was the one who was given special privileges, had a girlfriend in the prison, and took another prisoner to court over misgendering him or something absolutely ludicrous.
The judge was very annoyed, and asked in what way he had transitioned. It was only facial feminisation.
The accused prisoner had missed their parole opportunity, meanwhile.

@OneQuirkyOrca There is a final group which rarely are trans at all. This group cross dress as a fetish. Sorry I do not work with this group so I have no idea of its size.

Firstly, transactivists would love to remove the fetishists from under the trans umbrella having warmly welcomed them initially. However, I'm afraid that ship has sailed as there are numerous videos and photos showing them at Trans events and crossing women's boundaries.

Secondly, you will be glad to know that we can give you an idea of the group's size:
I'm sure you are aware of Dr Az Hakeem consultant psychiatrist, medical psychotherapist and group analyst. He set up and ran a specialist UK psychotherapy service for adults with gender dysphoria for 12 years using both one-to-one and group analytic therapy with a less than 2% rate of patients deciding to pursue physical treatments. In his book Detrans he says "The numbers of non-transsexual trans have always greatly outnumbered those who would in the past been referred to as a 'transsexual'. The majority are males with a fetish involving some appropriation of aspects afforded to the opposite sex."
No-one really knows exact numbers, of course. I have seen Ray Blanchard estimate it at 70% fetishist: 30% transsexual in the past and he says it is probably higher now.

And yet they'll tell anyone who stands still for long enough that they are being denied access to healthcare.

Firstly, transactivists would love to remove the fetishists from under the trans umbrella

They are one and the same.

Thanks again WithSilverBells.

I look forward to @OneQuirkyOrca explaining to us exactly where the data is in that link of their's that supports their stated rate of vaginoplasties. Because looking at your link and the question as published on OneQuirkyOrca's link, there just isn't anything that supports the claim.

@Dwimmer Where are those suicide stats from, please?

Not all psychiatrists believe Gender Dysphoria is real

https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755

Sorry don’t have the links to hand but those for young people come from Tavistock so may be in Cass? Those for adults are from the Swedish population database that the author of a paper tried to pretend didn’t show what it clearly did.

When there are such opposing statistics it's difficult to know who is right. Generally speaking I find that on here trans people seem to be despised. As the mother of a trans man, who has come to acceptance, i feel really depressed when I read a lot of the posts on here. Maybe I am wrong to be accepting when there's such constant negative comments. Is my child really a bad, perverted person? Who knows but it's quite horrible. Just saying how it feels to me, I know that doesn't matter.

Have you actually posted any stats though?

Forgive me if I've missed them.

And no, transpeople are not 'despised' on here. Mostly you will find people saying that humans can't change sex and there is nothing 'kind' about pretending they can. Quite the opposite.

And that women need single sex spaces in certain circumstances for their safety and dignity.

I honestly don't get where you think most people on this board think your child is bad and perverted. Troubled and confused. Irrational and misguided perhaps. Females who identify as male are a specific cohort who tend to reject their femaleness often at puberty but sometimes later in life. They often have other issues such as autism. They are often same sex attracted and confused or ashamed about this. They may have experienced sexual assault which has led them to reject their femaleness because they see this as the basis for their trauma. They may have found a 'queer' tribe where they have been accepted for 'who they are' and affirmed in the belief that if they can be the opposite sex their feelings of discomfort will miraculously disappear. Sadly this rarely happens and they may be better off accepting their sex, getting counselling for their issues and moving forward in life on the basis of reality rather than fantasy. Gender critical women are deeply sympathetic to women who identify as men because we understand how shit being a woman can be and usually understand what it's like to be gender non-conforming. I'm sorry you feel like this and I'm not saying don't support your child although there is evidence that affirming trans ideation can leave someone without a way of rowing back on their path if they realise they can never actually be a man and don't want to continue with damaging hormones and surgery.

No I haven't posted any stats. I read the posts on here as I obviously have an interest but saying that I'm not any kind of activist or person who delves into the stats etc. Yes I probably should but there a lot more learned people on here that have done the research. But then you get diametrically opposing views on these things so it's hard to know what's right. And I absolutely agree on single sex spaces, women's sport, prisons crisis centres and a whole host of things that are only appropriate for women, and vice versa for men to be fair. I just can't deny the impression I get from a lot of posts but maybe it's just the way I'm looking at things. I just feel quite depressed and confused about what I think to be honest.

In fact should I re-evaluate the way I see my son regarding being trans.

Well you've been very honest here. I'm sorry that's how you feel - I'm not surprised. It's a complex and difficult topic.

Full disclosure, I have skin in the game here too. A family member who transitioned, then detransitioned and unfortunately has been left with health problems from her time on T. She now realises that she was dreadfully misled by some of the professionals who dealt with her at the time.

There is a lot of misinformation out there. Unfortunately some of it is coming from activists within the healthcare system. My only advice to you would be to interrogate all the sources put in front of you. They are not always what they seem.

I don't think you've said how old they are. Bayswater support might be helpful to you. https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/ They have a forum for parents to discuss issues around adolescents/young adults who are gender questioning. Personally I'd say be kind and supportive but you also matter and so do any siblings. Your trans identified child isn't the only person affected in this.

You love your child, and you carry on doing that. They are the same person with all the strengths and weaknesses they have always had. No one changes into someone else, so that at least won’t change.

What might change is your confidence in the information that leads them towards surgery or hormones. And all medical treatment needs scrutiny. This is experimental medical treatment without much data to support- or contradict it- as far as I’m aware, because the nutters that we’re pushing it didn’t keep long term, decent records. So there’s a lot of anacdata.

Edit: This is for BlueJeans

Trans people seem to be despised here because too many of them act or encourage to act in ways that are hurtful or dangerous for women, so of course women fight back and call them out for what they are. But if your child is not one of those harmful trans people, then don't take the words aimed at them as being aimed at your child.

As a transman myself, I've met pretty much nothing but curiosity and acceptance here - as long as I play by the rules, such as accepting to be sexed, not gendered. You get used to it 😁

I absolutely agree on single sex spaces, women's sport, prisons crisis centres and a whole host of things that are only appropriate for women

In that case you have lots in common with many posters on this board and I urge you to stick around.

Look, I can only speak for myself - but I think a lot of the time when posters talk angrily and negatively about "trans people" in a general way, they are actually directing that anger at one group and that's grown men who are taking women's stuff and trampling all over women's rights.

Many posters have written very wise posts in the past about how the "trans umbrella" simply cannot cover everyone - on the one hand young and confused (possibly autistic) girls struggling with their place in the world, and on the other hand fully grown men with...let's say...other motives

This is what I'm worrying about in part too and I'm sorry your family member has had problems. I do wonder if my son fully realises the damage done to his body and what would happen if he decided he wanted to de- transition. You cannot reverse the effects of taking T for years. He was over the age of 25 when he started to transition ( imo the minimum age people should be) so it's not as if I really had a say in it apart from expressing some worries. The more I read the worse I feel. He seems to be happy so for him it seems to have worked out but I worry that with the tide turning so much now is he still going to feel comfortable with his choice in the future when things seem to be so anti trans now. I know it seems to be mostly aimed at trans women but even so I feel there's just not going to be an acceptance of him. Whatever happens the physical damage is done. I don't know if I'm better off reading this things or hiding my head in the sand! It's not as if I can do anything about it.