Public opinion turning against transgender ideology yougov poll

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https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.
In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.'

Well worth a read and hopefully a sign of the direction of travel with this issue.

Not asked: demanded. 4+4=5

Yes.

This is in the second panel in the Wings-Over-Scotland article that they do, but they ask the same question before and after clarification. The answers change for many of the respondents.

It is a very good question when you combine this thought with the recent news that the average reading age is relatively low (about 11 years).

The lack of clarity and confusing definitions and stating twaw and talking about "feeling like a woman" could mean that many people who are not that interested in the topic and only skim-read about it might not be aware of what TW and TM actually mean.
Maybe the reading age also corresponds with other information gaps on medicine and they are just not aware of the variations between "medical transition", "surgical transition" or "social transition" or that the whole concept of a man becoming a woman and vice versa is physically impossible.

Additionally, the feminist idea about removing social gender roles (women like pink and become hairdressers / men like tractors and become mechanics...) is muddled with the trans concept, when they are actually at opposite ends.

Thus people who are not so interested in these topics and who debate about other things could misunderstand some of the terminology.

Purely anecdotal, but the first scenario fits one family I know - the parents were vocal TRAs long before the child claimed a trans identity (which so far, thankfully, just seems to mean they/them pronouns). I know we're supposed to believe that vegan cat syndrome isn't a thing, but it's very clear to me where she got the idea.

I'd like to know where the balance lies between TRA parents encouraging the child; sceptical parents desperately worried about the child; and parents who are a bit confused about the whole thing but want to support their child. I don't think polling can show us that.

Also they hijacked DSDs, which are a very low percentage of the population (and still sex-based) to say that biological sex is fluid; basically using a couple of thousand people to project their situation on everyone.

ConstructionTime - I think the confusion of the terminology is deliberate, it's a 'if you can't blind them with science then baffle them with bullshit' type of thinking.

Although the level of confusion could just be because it's a complete load of bollocks, and nothing will ever make it make sense.

I note that the polls continue to show that women are still far more supportive of trans "rights" than men are, which is an interesting counterpoint to the nonsensical mumsnet narrative that trans rights are somehow a conspiracy by the male half of the population to eliminate female spaces.

When you break it down further (not shown in those polls), the pro trans narrative is overwhelmingly being driven by young left wing women.

It's not 'nonsensical' to say part of trans rights activism is men wanting access to female spaces - usually driven by autogynophilia. The case of male Beth Upton accessing female changing rooms in Fife is only the latest in a very long series of similar occurrences. However, it is interesting to contemplate why young women are particularly susceptible to supporting this ideology. I'm a bit tired to go into it in depth but I think there are a number of reasons. Higher levels of socialisation mean young women have always been more susceptible to fads, higher levels of empathy (by nature or nurture can be argued but I'm starting to think it's innate) which means they sympathise with those they perceive as vulnerable.

Internalised misogyny may play a part. It is said girls who identify as non binary and trans are trying to identify out of female oppression while men who identify as trans are identifying into female oppression and many get off on what they see as being humiliated. So both males and females who identify as trans perceive being a woman as being inferior to being a man.

Finally women are generally more left wing than men and sadly the left have pushed transgenderism bundled with general human rights issues. Young women may just accept that the T is simply the same as LGB. It is also possible that young women are more likely to do more captured subjects at university - sociology, gender studies, humanities generally while boys are more likely to do engineering, physics, maths which are resistant to the queering of the curriculum.

We need to be clearer that we aren't the minority opinion on all this. And we never have been.

According to that data, Britons aren't turning against trans rights, we are solidifying our opposition.

Just as with the populations of most countries, the majority have never supported transgender rights other than the right to socially transition. That is the only measure under which 50% or more of Britons supported trans rights in previous surveys.

For most questions the majority opinion was against trans rights and the few were more were pro than anti still didn't have support from half the population because so many were unsure.

It is really encouraging to see that younger people are becoming more sceptical, though.

When you break it down further (not shown in those polls), the pro trans narrative is overwhelmingly being driven by young left wing women.
I think this is at least in part because the pressure on girls and women to 'be kind' is always much greater than that on boys and men.

When I dropped DD off for Freshers' Week at uni a few years back, it was very noticeable that it was almost entirely the young female student helpers who had their pronouns on their badges. Yunno wot, 'EMILY, SHE/HER', I can work it out by looking... Just like I can work it out for 'THOMAS' over there, who hasn't wasted his time with the 'he/him' BS.

I heard a podcast at the end of last year that highlighted the Contact Hypothesis, that shows people becoming less homophobic as they have more contact with gay men/ lesbians, does not applied to trans identified people. People do not become less transphobic when exposed to more trans people.

I think this may account for why younger people are showing less favourable responses. Many become fed up with the high demand behaviour.

Where was the question 'Do you think Gender Recognition Certificates are a dangerous pile of legalised deceptive dross and should rescinded forthwith given that human being cannot change sex, and it is already permissible to people to present how they want?'

Interestingly the Reddit sub r/truscum (trans who think you should have a diagnosis of gender euphoria and should actively be seeking to change yourself toward 'being' your 'true' gender via social presentation, hormones and surgery) understand the great harm the 'trenders', 'trucutes' and the self-IDers and TRA shouting loudest, are doing to overall trans acceptance. They're not wrong.

Currently Upton is doing our work for us.

I think this is very apparent in the figures.

And it is also showing that the old tropish claim ‘just wait until the younger generation takes over’ is false. Because as time progresses and more exposure to the harms and just to what it all means the less people who have not got the deep personal investment support it.

I suspect that by the time the younger generation are in their 40s, this will have been a medical scandal and that those in positions of power will be facing the challenges of dealing with the repercussions to those who have had these treatments.

In my ex- workplace, NHS, I have been told that the strong 'trans acceptance' abetted by #BeKind young women who can't yet see 'the harm' has been dented by a brush with reality- a young transwoman booking clerk.

Suddenly, not a day went by without sobbing over a misgendering by patients over the phone who recognised a male voice when they heard it; because of a senior middle-aged female manager who, rather bravely imo refused to clap along with the pronouns; because of people losing patience with his inability to learn how to do his job, as some of his coworkers feared getting labelled as transphobic for pointing out this inability, and so forth.

HR visit after HR visit.

The inevitable has happened, he's now on long term sick due to 'stress'.

I imagine they've learned their lesson. Don't invite trouble in.

The answer to your question is:
Trans women i.e. male to female: hormones greater than 90% which will give most a breast according to their genetics (i.e. close to their mother’s breast size). Hormones in most cases will cause sterility within 12 months. GRS (or in old speech a sex change) around 30%. In other countries orchidectomy is common but in the UK it seems to be only done when the trans women cannot have GRS for medical grounds. GRS process includes an orchidectomy.

Trans men i.e. female to male: hormones greater than 90% which will cause facial hair and their voice to break. Top surgery (mastectomy and nipple reduction) greater than 70%. Hysterectomies are common. GRS is very low around 2% (probably the one you had heard)

Where's the data from?

I very much doubt 90% of trans have done anything apart from change in clothes. Unless I’ve misunderstood and you’re saying its 90% <of something else>

I notice that the summary talks about the British public's attitude to 'transgender rights' and reports a 'growing resistance on transgender rights'. But the questions are not all about 'transgender rights, the include puberty blockers and women's rights and changing rooms.

They should have asked specifically: do you think that the rights currently enjoyed by transgender people should be withdrawn from them?
if they wanted to claim that the poll showed 'growing resistance on transgender rights'.

The resistance is to the privileges, not the rights, surely?

The ones the Supreme Court confirmed were never actually rights?

I am saying that 90% of trans women and trans men are or will take hormones. Trans binary people (trans women and trans women) primarily have a high level of Gender Dysphoria. This condition if not recognised or not treated invariably leads to depression and potentially suicide. This group of trans people will, invariably, transition to live full time as the opposite sex to their natal sex.

But are all trans people Trans Binary? Absolutely not. Trans non-binary are generally accepted as a bigger community than the binary group. I would expect this group to account for at least 50% but could be as high as 75% of the whole trans community. So to answer your point around 40-45% of the trans community will medically transition. For those that are both trans and autistic the non-binary percentage will be bigger. Very few trans non-binary people will do any medical change whatsoever. Most of the trans non-binary group will keep their gender incongruence under control via presentation. For some this will be cross dressing, others will present in a gender neutral fashion and a small group will really mix things up like having a beard and wearing a dress.

There is a final group which rarely are trans at all. This group cross dress as a fetish. Sorry I do not work with this group so I have no idea of its size.

Can you provide links to support your statistics about male people with transgender identities having their penises removed please?

And the suicide rates that you mention please .

So are we supposed to assume this person is trans? Or is this just personality and wearing clothes he likes/for effect?
(Hint, they're just clothes. Not an identity)

Hasnt posted.

Can you show how changing the treatment of gender dysmorphia has resulted in reduced suicides and improved mental health …

happy to relay my experiences- as a young woman I had what is now called gender dysmorphia and in my opinion learning to love yourself as you are, your whole authentic self, mental and physical, with no health impacting treatment seems to me far preferable than the solutions touted today

given the number of older women who have been through similar it seems a shame our voices are ignored and we get classed as transphobes to stop our findings being accepted

of course we don’t present any profit making opportunities to the pharmaceutical industry and we are not super special

What's trans binary?

Citations needed.