Public opinion turning against transgender ideology yougov poll

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https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.
In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.'

Well worth a read and hopefully a sign of the direction of travel with this issue.

If a PP is willing to lie about "intersex" that makes me think that they're willing to lie about anything in order to promote their idea of a greater good: pious fraud.

Are doctors putting ‘x’ for an infants sex for birth certificates in the UK ? Or are the medics referred to not doctors and that ‘x’ is used to donate further testing needed?

Considering the accuracy of non invasive testing that can give some pretty clear indications quickly and the fact that so much is known about differences in sex development these days, I would be surprised if it was doctors noting this for official birth records.

Did at no point of compiling this list the thought "this is all a load of navel-gazing bollocks" enter your mind?
I mean, I can tell you seem to take this all quite seriously but all of this is only meaningful if you believe in gender and that it is important, and then you throw in "intersex" which has nothing to do with trans or gender and tells me you haven't followed the discussions that are happening outside your group of like-minded navel-gazers at all.

Also, it doesn't really matter how many pages of AI-assisted word salad are produced to earnestly explain the special and complex internal feelings of some special people.

Where we have single-sex spaces such as sports, refuges, prisons, rape crisis centres, changing rooms, etc, this is because society has understood that these spaces are single-sex for reasons of privacy, dignity and safety.

We do not segregate such spaces on the basis of people's declared special internal feelings.

'even this is not binary because you can have a condition known as intersex where the genital anatomy is confused - medics put an X down for the child’s sex in this case)'

Quote edited to remove the autocorrect.

Given that none of this sentence is remotely accurate, I'm disinclined to think any of the rest reflects reality either.

The poll remains interesting. Opinions can swing very fast though. All of a sudden post-SC ruling, being trans is moving out of corporate respectability back into more of an alternative space again. A lot of young people will find that a lot more comfortable.

In terms of better lives, I would say that every person i know who has transitioned (and its quite a few given that i know a lot of upper middle class female teenagers/young adults) has in terms of society's typical rules a significantly worse life, but that they are all personally more comfortable in their new lives. Which argues as always that the constraints of social rules hit hard and make a lot of people unhappy.

These surgeries are elective. They are a form of extreme body modification to bring a person’s body closer to how that person wants their body to look.

Based on that individual’s philosophical belief about their identity at that specific time. It is quite right to point out that these body modifications are based on a philosophical belief that does not reflect the material reality, however sincerely held.

That's simply not true. Gender critical people believe that sex is an important factor in how we arrange society - especially in the area where women need privacy and safety away from men. Feelings about 'gender identity ' which are a set of stereotypes about what it means to be a man or a woman are trite and positively damaging to many in society and lead to gender ideology -:which is a belief that to deal with discomfort about one's sex - which can't actually be changed - people should go to great lengths to pretend that conforming to sex stereotypes of the opposite sex will improve their mental health. This is an ideology for which there is little evidence of benefit and much evidence of harm. And of course, the people most affected by this grim ideology are the teenagers - young, quirky, creative, possibly sutistic, uncomfortable with their bodies and possibly distressed about developing same sex attraction. Many have also been subjected to unwanted sexual attention and sexual abuse. They need counselling and to go through puberty not puberty blockers and hormones. This ideology has caused so much harm and that's why I am doing everything I can to get it out of our society.

They don't accept it because it simply isn't true.

The vast majority of 'transwomen' have zero in the way of medical treatment.

Not that it really matters. No one can change sex, that's just basic facts. So no, they shouldn't have access to single sex facilities that don't belong to them.

Notice we went from this immediately to:

I am saying that 90% of trans women and trans men are OR WILL TAKE hormones. (my emphasis)

So suddenly we move from stating this is something that has happened to an intention. Which again begs the question how have you come up with these figures?

Also, I’d love to see the citation for men who take hormones grow breasts about the size of their mothers’. I thought most men who take oestrogen grow small moobs (that are not breasts), which is why so many of them end up unhappy and seeking implants.

even this is not binary because you can have a condition known as intersex where the genital anatomy is confused - medics put an X down for the child’s sex this case (typo corrected)

For any lurkers new to this. If a newborn’s genital anatomy is ‘confused’ the child will have additional testing in the form of scans and genetic testing (genome, not just karyotype) and this will quickly establish the baby’s sex (male or female) and congenital reproductive disorder/disorder of sexual development. These disorders have been clearly established and are easily identified with modern health care. The baby’s sex (male or female) is then recorded on their birth certificate the same way as for other babies.

Disorders of sexual development (which Trans activists refer to by the antiquated and, for most, offensive term ‘intersex’) make the news when male athletes have been recorded as female at birth in countries with limited obstetric care and misogynistic attitudes to women being ‘incomplete men’ so babies without a developed penis ‘must be’ girls. It is well known that athletic scouts seek out these men as their birth certificates have enabled them to access female sports despite their clear male advantage. In most cases, like Caster Semenya, these men have been aware of their true sex since puberty if not before.

I just read this and read read it and just for fun, read it again. What happened to make people believe such utter tripe?

All men, all women and some clothes. It's the dressing up box that even the kids are bored with.

Remember everyone, these people get funding from your hard earned taxes.

It is such regressive sexist drivel isn’t it?

OK.

And why the fuck should any of the rest of us care or pay any attention to this nonsense?

Lurkers should also be aware that there are numerous trans activists on TikTok and other sites who identify as ‘intersex’ but are nothing of the sort. They often make up impossible DSD conditions or claim incredibly rare DSD that have only ever been described once. These claims often drift between conditions, or they claim they were diagnosed by methods that would be impossible for that condition (eg a rare genetic condition identified during a claimed ten minute chat with a GP).

And is this a male trait? Because of three sisters only one of us grew breasts that came close to my mother’s size.

I read somewhere that 'bottom surgery' is quite far down the list of surgeries that 'transwomen' opt for when they do go for surgery.

First is boob jobs. Second is facial feminisation surgery. Then 'bottom' surgery.

Tell me again that this isn't about male fetishes 🙄

I would struggle to answer these questions as they don’t allow for the response ‘GRC should be abolished’

This is the best bit

"Flux: these people will change their gender. This is a rare condition. A typical scenario is that these people will go to bed feeling that they are male and wake up feeling female and then in a few days it changes again."

What a load of shite. These idiots spend so much time in their echo chambers and not enough time in the actual world that they dont realise no one gives a shit about this absolute nonsense.

Totally agree that this is utter nonsense.

The problem being that this is not just random shit talking on social media. It's what's being taught in 'gender studies' departments in universities. And people assume that what's being taught in universities has validity. This is bit people struggle to come to terms with.

I’m really surprised Orca is working with so many trans people in their 60s, given the terrible life expectancy of untreated trans people.

I mean, surely these people should be completely unproblematic.

They can just change their gender to match their sex every time they need to access a single sex space or compete in sports. There shouldn't be any pronoun issues either. People can just use whatever pronouns they want because they should correspond to one of this person's identities. If they're OK being referred to as "he" during the morning coffee break, surely they can't be offended by being referred to as "he" during the afternoon meeting.

Regarding the poll, this is what happens when you make fetishistic and/or misogynistic/angry/violent/creepy men the face of your movement. And also what happens when people can see that vulnerable young people are being harmed by this.

Prior to that happening, most people didnt have a problem with transsexual (as they were known then) people, because they weren't being total knobs and demanding to be treated exactly like a woman, or else.

Gender studies departments really need to be abolished.

”If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head”