Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1888255119449268674?s=61

Yes, a list of examples would be very helpful. This thread is long on accusations of transphobia and completely short on any kind of evidence.
As usual.
And for the poster who found someone else rude, that's not transphobic either. Mumsnet can be blunt. Posters are expected to actually provide arguments to back up their positions.
If I just plopped onto a thread with unevidenced accusations and then just doubled down when challenged, I'd expect to have my arse handed to me. That applies to everyone, trans or not.
It's one of the great things about MN. There's always been robust discussion.

Were we supposed to be worried because Butler got uppity? 😅

Oh god yes. All cats are terfs.

Although I have heard of a few kittens whose sex was wrongly assigned at birth so maybe someone should have asked them their pronouns.

Good evening, I am a sane and normal person. Here is a list I have made of my enemies.

I don’t think it’s transphobic to want people raised with male privilege to stop telling us what being a woman is - or telling us to shut up if we have genuine concerns about women’s health and safety.

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Is Dawn Butler the MP who said that 90% of giraffes are gay?

@Totallymessed and I seem to recall, that babies are born without a sex ...

Particularly when some of them seem to think the biggest thing women have to worry about is what pretty dress to wear or how to style our hair.

I'm sorry, I meant to be terse but not rude. I just thought that encountering a post which isn't to one's liking shouldn't form the basis for judging a whole website.
But please accept my apologies, I really didn't intend to be rude. In fact, given what I've been arguing about FWR all along, I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I was intentionally rude, wouldn't I?

Please don’t call a black woman “uppity”.

No worries. lol

I understand.

Thank you.
I agree with you about 'uppity', I'd avoid using it about a Black person, because I know it has a long and ugly history, though that might be clearer to people in the US than on this side of the Atlantic.

Why not?

Dawn Butler was rather silly in thinking the Met would come and nick us all.
However, calling a black woman uppity is very offensive and not something I've seen anyone who is a regular poster on FWR ever use.

I don't recognize your name. Please don't use that word about her.

It's a word that has a deeper resonance in the US, but even though I'm not from there, I'm aware of how it was used historically, and if it was used about a Black person, things frequently ended up badly for them...like fatally.
So I give it a miss, because of its associations.

I've never heard of that and neither Dawn Butler or myself are in the US so I don't see how it's relevant.

Just here for the screenshots then?
Are you Andrew Gwynne looking for a new Whatsapp group?
Because no one here is playing your game.

It’s a watchful waiting site. It is not transphobic.

Years ago, C4's Inclusion Consultant, Sue Pascoe, reported WPUK and We Need to Talk to Prevent (anti-terrorism unit).

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3361150-Dr-Nicola-Williams-on-BBC2-at-10-15-Victoria-Live?page=7&reply=80912436

Then again, an 11 year-old who struggled with his homework was reported to Prevent's counter-radicalisation programme, so it feels meaningless and performative. (I'd be very pleased if there's been an evidence-based evaluation that demonstrates it's transformative, helpful, and excellent value for money.)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/26/anger-over-referral-of-vulnerable-boy-11-to-counter-radicalisation-scheme

Just so I understand, you're completely discounting the needs of transwidows and transorphans who've found it very helpful to gather on FWR and exchange their experiences?

<waving to @changedusernameforthis1 > glad you have had a decent experience. I’ve seen many threads where trans people have engaged in robust yet calm conversations here.
The occasional pause to step away when things get intense is always respected- and offered.

Hmmm. Respecting space and breaks isn't something I've witnessed. It's usually whooping and cries of "She can't answer!" From multiple posters of questions aren't immediately answered.

I occasionally wear a skirt and make up, but it's not nearly as fun as when I was younger, and when the result of the dress-up effort was looking hot and sexy.

Now older, with hot and sexy not an option, I wear the same thing every single day. Jeans, trainers and a top. No make up. I can see how this wouldn't do the trick for a trans-'woman'. They have to put on makeup and dress carefully to live the fantasy. And Jenner thinks it's what we all do, that we all care about looking feminine, but he's wrong.

I've read of some trans-'women' saying they worry about being an ugly woman after they 'transition'. That's the sort of thing a man would worry about. Because we all know, all real women are fuckable.

I bet a white Christian boy would have been made to stand outside the headteacher's office for that comment, not reported to Prevent.