Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1888255119449268674?s=61

Ooooh look someone made a list

Are you suggesting women don't worry about looking ugly or unattractive to men?

I would have to say the majority of female people with transgender identities come and engage with the board and have positive contributions, even if there is significant disagreement sometimes. But then also we have have those who come and who still maintain a feminist perspective.

Whereas the male posters with transgender identities come and start generally to vilify and demonise the posters on this board. And why should any regular poster who is grouped together to be demonised by a poster respond with positiveness? It is almost like those posters do it just to get negative feedback that fulfills their expectations.

From over 5 years on this board, that is a general take away. There was one or two male posters with transgender identities who were on these threads. I remember them standing their ground on defending female single sex spaces with us only to have other males with transgender identities bully them horrendously. I remember one thread where it was bad enough that those couple of male posters who had stated that they never used female single sex spaces and knew very well that they were male left the board. Not because of the women posting, but due to those male posters. That thread was a very eye opening thread.

Oh… and nearly every male person who insists that they should be allowed to enter female single sex spaces, tend to disregard almost anything to do with female transgender people except to push for medical transition for those teenaged female people. Because to them, the brutality and life limiting or shortening outcomes for those teenaged female transgender people are to be dismissed. They clearly state that if they want male teens to have access to medical treatment then that is all they care about.

But apparently, those male people all say they are feminists.

I had never heard of Dawn Butler, and I'm not in the US either, but I've learnt some things over the years, and one of them is that calling a Black person 'uppity' has bad historical associations.

At some stage I was in the same position as you, but then somebody pointed out the history of the word, and explained to me how offensive it is.

Having learnt how offensive it is, if I continued using it, I would be deliberately choosing to use an offensive word. So I decided not to use it.

You and I are now both in the same position: we both started off not knowing it was offensive when referring to Black people, because neither of us lives in the US; then somebody told us it is very offensive; and we both have the choice to continue using it or not.

I freely chose not to be deliberately offensive. Now you know, you have that choice too.

Yay, well done ladies. Keep going.

ploppers and those who berate others or declare their perspective is the only acceptable one do indeed get short shrift. People who listen, ask questions, or answer questions, rightfully get respect.

I mean, people trumpeting their credentials and telling women we’re doing it wrong won’t be made comfortable.

Why would they need to?

Some women, including me, don't worry about looking unattractive to men, especially when older.

But, men who apparently believe they are women trapped in a man's body, - if I were in that extremely unfortunate mental state of body dysmorphia, the last thing I'd be worrying about is 'will I look pretty, will I look sexy and girly enough for men to find me attractive'. I'd just want to have my penis chopped off so that my body conformed to my idea of self. But it's odd that so many of them don't even chop off the penis.

Southall Black Sisters are on the list.
I wonder what they did to upset NotAshley who has all of 26 followers?
Having gained three more since putting out that list.

That's a really odd perspective because I felt very unwomanly when I was very overweight and had facial hair from PCOS. I didn't feel like a real woman and it was very upsetting. I know others feel the same. I certainly worried about being pretty and felt my womanliness was tied to my femininity and attractiveness to men until my self esteem massively improved. Which only happened because I lost 5 stone and got laser hair removal.

Those are certainly very womanly concerns, especially in younger women. To say that only men would be preoccupied with looking pretty when they want to be a woman is close minded view in my opinion.

I don't identify as being transphobic, so I can't be because I decided what I am and everyone just has to accept it, that's how it goes, right! 😂

This. ^

Hmmm. Respecting space and breaks isn't something I've witnessed. It's usually whooping and cries of "She can't answer!" From multiple posters of questions aren't immediately answered.

Never mind immediately, they don’t attempt to answer at all!

If you’re going to state something at least be able to back it up with something, anything. Especially if what you’re stating defies science, logic, common sense and is harmful to women (with many examples given as to why).

👏 Yep. Just like today I identify as a bean and my pronouns are baked/runner.

What point would that be? Any examples?

I consider it a badge of honour to be included on the same list as SBS.

Yes, Belfast Trust is responsible for some regional services and gender identity is one of them. It's probably because of waiting lists, I imagine they're upset they don't get seen immediately. Thing is, waiting lists for everything in NI are utterly horrendous, so they're no different to anyone else looking for health care.

I'm saying that when a man claims his entire identity and mental health is dependent upon 'transitioning' to 'female', (by taking drugs to grow breasts, and maybe or maybe not having his penis cut off), surely the least important aspect is whether him in a women's costume is going to be attractive to men. Especially when the answer will usually be no, however they look, because I'm guessing the vast majority of heterosexual men prefer biological women and aren't turned on by trans-'women'.

You felt unwomanly with facial hair and excess weight, but you didn't feel like a man. You felt like a woman hating how you looked; all women feel like this sometimes.

SEEN in the City

I mis-read that

Great post.

I worry about how I look at times. It’s not about being attractive to men though. I mean, it probably was when I was a v young adult on the dating market, but since.

Since, my worries have been about general attractiveness- resting bitch face, fatness, hairiness, spots, poorly applied make up, inadequately groomed hair, the wrong choice of clothes, having to wear comfortable shoes which others deem fugly…
My husband doesn’t worry about any of this. I do, but it’s not about being attractive to men- I really don’t want their attention- it’s about being u remarkable. Passing as a respectable woman in a world where women are judged harshly.

I agree

I have never understood this, i would not be on a forum that was racist or homophobic etc

you obviously get racist or homophobic posters…but not mumsnet as a forum

I had no idea about the connotations of uppity, so I appreciate the explanations on this thread.

This woman doesn't give a damn about looking ugly or attractive to men!
I like to look good for women, though - being a lesbian.

Out come all the Mumsnet is Transphobic/You are all transphobic posters, honestly change the record you only serve to make yourselves look foolish.