NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

NC Doesn't want an adjournment that would be months away.

Now a 5 minute break for a conflab.

Did she really just say that they don't want to let the emails be searched b/c it will take too long and present that like it's perfectly reasonable?

Why am I picturing the tall laddie in Succession sneaking into the office to destroy the cruise scandal documents on a Sunday afternoon

Yeh is that not a bit of a cop out?

Louise Curran seems to be a Senior Charge Nurse in a&e at fife. Maybe other people will know already, I didnt.

Does an adjournment help JR's case at all? she seems to be pushing for it...

She doesn't seem that bothered that load of evidence her side were supposed to produce is missing.

Ahh could we not have cracked on with DrU after all

@CheekySnake Yep

Well that's why it should have been done when requested you absolute cock wombles.

She's saying that producing the docs that were asked for in the original judge's order is too much bother.

JR is using the threat of an adjournment that everyone wants to avoid to get everyone to accept there won't be a full search of potentially relevant documents.

Thanks for this - I've been scratching my head wondering what it meant.

@ickky well quite

Yes, it's really unprofessional or something. Surely this would merit a slap on the wrist.

Although I suppose a good grounds for appeal if Sandie doesn't win. But again, more time and money thrown at this.

Yep

It does make me wonder what is in these emails that they're so desperate to keep buried?

I've been in NHS meetings where nothing was documented...

(I'm not suggesting this has happened here)

In HR investigation meetings?

I think if they continue without another search, it could only be concluded that there were documents that have been deliberately not disclosed.

I cannot believe that they would have all these investigations and discussions without documenting it, how would they remember what is said and by whom. If only to protect yourself.

@nauticant I get where you're coming from with this, but can I ask what 'the point' is?

Are you advocating that we try to support the nurse in some way?

It really sounds like they're trying to cover up a smoking gun. Delay, avoid, too difficult blah de blah. Patient records - what have any patients got to do with it? Nothing, that's what. Goodness knows what the missing documents contain since they already seem to have not followed procedure and not followed the law. It must be bad!

And I guess the thing with the search is that they're looking for specific documents, that NC team have deduced are missing. So they can narrow it down.

I'm sure if they gave one of us wimmins here access to their systems we'd find the documents for them by the end of the afternoon!

No.

I'm replying to the previous posters comment that everything that happens in the NHS is noted and documented. It isn't

Adjournment would be unfair to Sandie. Better if NC tries to get investigation ruled as inadequate on basis of Fife's refusal to produce information.

Right, I'm off out. Please don't go utterly bonkers with posting meaning I come back to a full thread.