Imane Khelif not eligible to compete in boxing world championships 2025

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https://boxingnewsonline.net/iba-confirms-stance-on-imane-khelif-ahead-of-womens-boxing-world-championships/

The IBA is sticking with its rules and Khelif failed its 'gender eligibility tests'. The writer of the article shows remarkably little concern with saying what a 'gender eligibility test' involves and that it shows Khelif is male.

An article which may be of interest to you if you are interested in how public opinion can be manipulated by social media ( Tablet Magazine):

"If anyone in the future cares enough to write an authentic history of the 2024 presidential campaign, they might begin by noting that American politics exists downstream of American culture, which is a deep and broad river. Like any river, American culture follows a particular path, which has been reconfigured at key moments by new technologies. In turn, these technologies, which redefine both space and time—canals and lakes, the postal system, the telegraph, railroads, radio and later television, the internet, and most recently the networking of billions of people in real time on social media platforms—set the rules by which stories are communicated, audiences are configured, and individuals define themselves....."

https://www.tabletmag.com/feature/rapid-onset-political-enlightenment

Like @Helleofabore’s post a few messages above?

Left-wing troll farms exist, but aren’t anywhere as common and organised as right-wing ones.

You do know Reddit exists, right? The "left-wing" (ie anti-women) spaces get to be anti-women only by being incredibly authoritarian and immediately banning anyone dissenting. They're incredibly organised at enforcing that.

All you have to do to get the opposite view is release that oppression. You don't need bots to explain it. Just lack of censorship.

So much struggle!

That’s what all the bots say. It’s a flaw of Mumsnet. “Oh, I’ve been here ages.”

This is entirely unevidenced

Not sure how to prove it to you, then. I’m also not sure that I have to. You could report a post of mine to MN and ask them how long I’ve been here, I suppose? You’re quite welcome to do that. I think it’s coming on about more than 16 years.

Okay. You carry on, then.

I read that and found it fascinating

Let’s see shall we?

The world’s most watched sporting event. Within that event two men are sanctioned to beat up women. People hear of it. In fact, many, many people hear of it because it’s happening at the world’s most watched sporting event. It’s reported on, then tweeted by some of the most famous people in the world. Millions of people form an opinion on it based on a) facts or b) ideology.

But if it wasn’t for “bots” these millions of people wouldn’t have had any idea what was going on, and wouldn’t have formed an opinion either way (because apparently bots amplified both sides of the debate.)

If you’re not a bot coming up with this crazy theory, Philosophies, then the only other explanation for your thinking is it’s…not clear.

The irony is that your posts are acting as a sort of disruptive bot - designed to sow division and derail arguments.

Agreed - in which case best to just ignore them

Okay - report me. See how that goes.

This is an interesting analysis that has been done on the impact of boys being included in girls sports. Considering these events are feeders into the elite levels and beyond, I thought it was appropriate.

AN ANALYSIS ON HOW JUST A FEW MALE PEOPLE CAN CAUSE HARM TO MANY FEMALE ATHLETES - THE FALSITY OF 'JUST ONE'

@hecheateddotorg
18th March 2025

https://x.com/hecheateddotorg/status/1901812945627017432

To analyze performance differences between "trans"-identified male and actual female participants in girls' sport, we need look no further than girls' high school track and field.

Track and field provides the clearest data as it is an individual sport and has had the highest number of recorded male participants to date at the high school level.

There are a total of 37 male athletes on record who have participated in girls' high school track and field in the United States.

Of these 37, one athlete participated in only one race due to the cancellation of the season during the COVID 19 pandemic. Another athlete participated in a tech/private school league that did not participate in a state championship. These two athletes will be excluded from the data.

Out of 1,276 completed events, male athletes finished as follows:
1st place: 440 (34%)
2nd place: 188 (15%)
3rd place: 123 (10%)
Other: 485 (41%)

Male athletes came in 1st 34% of the time, only 7% less often than they did than any other place outside the top 3.

They finished in the top three in 59% of their events and outside the top eight in only 19% of their events.

24 of the 35 male athletes (68%) qualified for their respective State Championship meet in a total of 136 events.

When looking at athletes competing against same-sex peers, depending on the state and division of competition, anywhere from 5 to 15% of athletes are expected to qualify.

For example in states that use regional-sectional qualification, the top 4 finishers at a regional meet (often with 2 heats of 8 runners each) qualify for the sectional meet where the top 4 finishers at the sectional then advance to State. This means that out of 32 runners at regionals, only 4 (12.5%) will advance to State.

This number also does not take into account the fact that only the best runners on a team will be entered in a regional meet and often the same runner will qualify in multiple events. A runner may also have a higher chance of qualifying in a relay as 8 runners (top 2 teams) advance to state rather than 4 in this type of qualification.
In other types of qualification or less competitive, smaller regions, it may be easier to qualify.

At the State Championship meet, there are typically 24 entries in each event. 1 of the 24 will win, meaning 4% of the 15% of athletes who have qualified for state will be a state champion, or 0.6%.

Of the 24 male athletes who qualified for state against girls, 11 of them (46%) have won a state championship title, or 31% of the total.

4 of the 35 male athletes (11%) have also achieved a top 10 national ranking.
The percentage of male athletes who have been in the top 10 of all track and field athletes in the female division in the entire nation is higher than the percentage of female athletes who have won a state title.

To find the percentage of female athletes who are in the top 10, we can take the 57 indoor and outdoor events ranked on milesplit. com multiplied by 10 (10 athletes in each) then divide by the total number of female athletes in high school track and field - 506,015 (according to nfhs. org).

This number does not take into account the fact that many athletes in the top 10 appear there in multiple events and several of the 57 events are less commonly run. (All 4 male athletes in the top 10 achieved that placement in a main event).

This means less than 0.11 percent of female athletes achieve a top 10 ranking.

"But not all states require hormone therapy!"

It is true that some states do not require males to undergo any sort of testosterone suppression or medical intervention in order to compete against girls.

We can therefore, look to the athletes who have reportedly begun "identifying" as the opposite sex and undergone "medical interventions" prior to puberty or in early middle school as it has been proposed that males who do so are in line with "average female performance."

There are 3 athletes who have reportedly "transitioned" prior to puberty. Based on their feminized appearances and high voices, we can infer this included puberty blockers.

All 3 athletes qualified for the state championship meet, 2 of the athletes were conference champions, and one athletes was not only a state champion and New England champion, but he was ranked in the national top 10.

None of these performances are in line with an "average" athlete. In fact, the national ranking out of three athletes is statistically unlikely to the point of being impossible without an athletic advantage.

"But you just know about the athletes who are good. There could be more you don't hear about because they don't win anything."

When we look at the expected percentages, we can see that about 6 out of 1,000 athletes win state and 1 out of 1,000 are in the top 10 national ranking.

In order to see the 24 males as state champions and 4 males in the top 10, there should be around 4,000 males who have competed in the girls' division in track and field. (3,965 additional athletes, none of whom can have won a state title).
There have been 37 on record.

Numerous state senators and legislators have come forward testifying to the number of "trans"-identifying males participating in their states.

When these legislators testify that there have "only been 2" in the state, or in the case of Ohio, 17 athletes in 8 years, and these numbers include all sports, and when male athletes have been banned from participating in girls' sports in about half of the states in the nation, it is not likely that there are an additional 3,963 male athletes that not only does nobody know about, but who also have not won a single state title.

In regards to the prepubescent "transitioners," there should be an additional 1,000 of them who have not won a state title or achieved a top 10 ranking. This is also highly unlikely, as we've seen multiple prepubescent "transitioners" in other sports also winning national and state championship titles.

Male participation in the female division is not just unfair, it is blatantly so.
These percentages do not reflect the cost to the female athletes behind them. Just 2 male athletes in cross country and track and field in Maine have negatively impacted over 2,000 female athletes.

If each male athlete negatively impacted 500 female on average, that means over 18,500 female high school track and field athletes in the United States have been forced to compete against and have been negatively impacted by these boys.

This includes loss of titles, loss of medals, loss of relay spots, loss of entries in large meets, loss of qualifications for championships, loss of records, loss of privacy, and loss of confidence.

*2 male athletes in Maine negatively impacted over 1,600 girls
3 boys in Washington, over 2,000

I'm not in the business of reporting posts.This "everything is a russian bot" if it goes against the preferred narrative has now become a cliche; just the same way that " you are a nazi sympathising fascist". did

Sure. I did offer, though. And to reiterate, I’m not a bot, Russian or otherwise.

I agree, NotBadConsidering.

I have no personal experience of Russian, or any other flavour of bots. I am not now and have never been on social media, so I manage to dodge things like bots and scams.

Without even a hint of Russian bot influence, I took a great interest in the women's boxing at the Paris Olympics [g'wan ya good thing Kellie Harrington]
and when I became aware of Lin and Khelif, I read around the topic from all sorts of sources - including the Francophone Algerian press re Khelif.

I already knew the IBA was dodgy as feck [but allegedly reforming themselves] so I took anything they said about Khelif with a pinch of salt, and kept digging for other more objective sources. Other posters on here did likewise.

The only conclusion I could reasonably come to based on the facts that I acquired was that Khelif is a male with a DSD, and that the IOC should have tested for the eligibility of boxers to compete in the women's competition, instead of relying on what it says in their passports, which are no longer the objectively factual documents they used to be.

No assistance or nudging or influence from any quarter needed, or received -
I worked it out myself, and I fail to see how anyone who has delved into the facts could reasonably support the idea that Lin/Khelif are innocent women who have been unfairly got at by nasty people on social media. And JK Rowling, of course.🙄

Yes, the article that I posted is from 2016. It's curious that in the last 9 years Bach has gone from this allyship position with Russia to now blaming Russia for somehow being the root cause of the issues over whether Khelif and Lin should compete in the women's category. Given the IOC's own alleged past wranglings in corruption, he's taking a rather interesting position as a 2025 arbiter of integrity.

the Russian influence on the Khelif narrative in social media particularly.

I have no doubt that Russia, and other countries, influence the media. I've posted previously about an excellent documentary film called Hypernormalisation, which explores this. However, it's a complete distraction on the key question: should the IOC support testing to validate that people belong in the category in which they are competing, given we already know (e.g. Caster Semenya) that some males with DSDs are competing in the wrong category? Caster argued in court that males with the DSD 5-ARD should compete in the female category and on the BBC that testicles "don't make me any less of a woman":

https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1721896581396607132?t=JlkvloIn0gLKWHvfV7A5Kg&s=19

By bringing Russia into the equation as he has done here, not only is Thomas Bach forgetting his previous allyship but he's clearly and simply deflecting from this point, maintaining an activist position that having an F on a passport makes someone a woman. The IOC should be backing tests to validate someone's sex in the same way as they back testing to eliminate other forms of cheating, such as drugs testing. Otherwise it's a complete free for all... what's next? Someone identifying as disabled and competing in the Paralympics... Oh, wait, that has also happened before. The Guardian managed to understand why this wasn't fair to the other competitors, recognising that "In the Paralympics, just as in the Olympics, people cheat."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/sep/16/gilestremlett.features11

Perhaps if we look hard enough we'll find that Russian bots amplified that story in the media too. Either way, both the Guardian's journalism and Thomas Bach's understanding of why the reality of sex matters in sports categories seem to have some very big gaps.

Nobody has done more to bamboozle the public on this issue than, not Russian bots, but rather, the Guardian, with its 'stunning and brave' continual sub-text. That is the uncomfortable truth we have to face.

Well said, Marie and BonfireLady. Perhaps it's worth reminding ourselves that the whole point of the Olympic movement is supposed to be celebrating the benefits of fair competition in sport. Something the likes of Bach, with their squalid machinations, have long forgotten.

I dunno, the BBC has excelled at it... I'm on the fence as to whether it's the Beeb or the Guardian who does it best 🙃

Look, I had to pick a winner, OK... 😀

😁

Channelling Harry Hill's approach to this kind of thing, surely there's only one way to find out?

(Keeping within the spirit of this thread - and assuming I have remembered correctly that you are a man - we can make this fair, according to IOC best practice, if you change your passport to show an F before we start)

Surely they are just rewriting the IOC press releases though?

Seb Coe in the Telegraph, no new information about how hes going to protect the female category just that hes going to do so if hes elected as head of the IOC

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2025/03/18/integrity-of-sport-protect-female-category/

https://archive.ph/XIY7K