I refuse to use the term Trans Woman? Am I guilty of Harassment?

[eulittleb831]

I read this brilliant piece by Josephine Bartosch who properly avoided the use of the misrepresentative term "Trans Woman" in the article and instead opted for "trans-identified male" to describe a.......... male identifying as trans. In doing so is she, like myself, guilty of "harassment" for not feeding into the trans-activist narrative and refusing to refer to a man as a woman, or any form of woman which might upset "Beth/Brian/Frank" whatever his name is?

thecritic.co.uk/describing-reality-is-not-harassment/

You clearly don’t know enough women to make that statistically significant

Quite.

No one is saying cisgender women are "lesser" than trans women except for people with gender critical views. It's a completely manufactured self victim-hood.

The OP question- it could be harassment if one is intentionally contacting trans people and calling them slurs or abusive terms, but otherwise it could be just insensitive.

Or just truthful.

A fair proportion of the deception is the language.

Some in society don't actually know what you're talking about. Trans identified male leaves no room for manoeuvre or manipulation.

You could argue that to make sure medical treatment and other safety measures are sex specific and there's no room for error, trans identified male is the necessary term for trans people themselves.

Especially trans identified female as women need certain protections and awareness that might be missed otherwise. They often "pass" more easily.

No, you have misunderstood what Gettingbysomehow said. Let me try and explain it to you:

Trans identifying males frequently call themselves women while at the same time referring to women (the female kind, the only kind) using the term 'cis'.

Use of the term 'cis' makes us 'lesser' because the intention is that we accept an imposed descriptor for ourselves. It makes us 'lesser' because it means we are forced to become a sub-set of our own sex, rather than occupying the whole category of that sex. It makes us 'lesser' because it is a term imposed on us by people who are not us. It makes us 'lesser' because we did not choose to be called that. We don't accept that descriptor.

And as for "a completely manufactured self victim-hood" - oh, the irony!!

WarriorN: A fair proportion of the deception is the language.

Absolutely. Words are important. They mean things. One group in society doesn't get to redefine words to fit their own perception of reality and then impose this on everybody else.

No one is saying cisgender women are "lesser" than trans women except for people with gender critical views.
It's a completely manufactured self victim-hood.

□ The OP question- it could be harassment if
□ one is intentionally contacting trans people and
□ calling them slurs or
□ abusive terms,
□ but otherwise it could be just insensitive.

I refuse to use the term Trans Woman? Am I guilty of Harassment?
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eulittleb831 · 06/02/2025 07:25
I read this brilliant piece by Josephine Bartosch who properly avoided the use of the misrepresentative term "Trans Woman" in the article and instead opted for "trans-identified male" to describe a.......... male identifying as trans. In doing so is she, like myself, guilty of "harassment" for not feeding into the trans-activist narrative and refusing to refer to a man as a woman, or any form of woman which might upset "Beth/Brian/Frank" whatever his name is?
^thecritic.co.uk/describing-reality-is-not-harassment/^

Who is contacting who and doing what ?

Is calling a male human a male?

And

If you say that I must pretend that a male is a female because you (be you male or female) or any random male (or female) decided that is what I must do you have decided and are saying that I am "lesser" than you. HTH

I didn’t speak for anyone but myself. You find it offensive. I, and the vast majority of women I know, find your perspective offensive.

That's the people you know.

There's many more who do find cis offensive

A fair proportion of the deception is the language.

This is known by now for sure

Look at NC absolutely getting it with pointing out compelled language is an attempt at male domination

I'm happy to use sex realist language. It's better for women and children.

I agree Eastern.

I think most people I know have no idea what the word 'cis' means in regards to humans. Once you explain the concept, I have not found anyone who agrees that it describes them.

'Cis' is a meaningless term that was never appropriate for the grouping that it was supposed to describe. It was flawed from the outset but rather than acknowledge this, we get arguments based on leveraging the use in science and then inclusivity and then attempts to shame through emotional manipulation.

It is all irrelevant due to the term being rendered meaningless because it includes people with complex medical conditions who don't belong in that sex category at all but who don't have a transgender identity.

Well, I am offended. I am not a subset of my own sex.

I use trans woman, and trans identified male to indicate a subset of men, not women.

Why the space?

Transwoman = noun
trans Woman = adjective + noun

Language creep changes understanding of concept/message

Support of
Allies against

See the difference

Your on a jury for a sexual assault

Listen to the Irish ad and
ID the sex the parties in each example and
the party most likely to be sexually assaulted and

If implied (act or words ) consent happen, when and
at what stage its safe to have that talk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JyRfFtZxkIk

Department of Justice Ireland website under Supporting Victims Duel mandate of "to prevent".

Supporting a Victim's, our plan to help victims and vulnerable witnesses in sexual violence cases, will be implemented in full. It will reform the criminal justice system at every point a victim comes into contact with it. A national public awareness campaign on consent will further strengthen work to prevent these crimes.
Greater ownership and input from communities themselves, working with public services, will help to improve community safety and reduce harm. Across the country, new Community Safety Partnerships will make communities safer for residents, families and businesses.
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yep. It is again linguistic trickery.

The trans is to be treated in the word as any other descriptor because it is an adjective and not part of a compound noun. The compound noun is 'othering' so they demanded the space.

I think that needs a whole lot of space, personally.

They've move the goal posts, then. TRAs used to object to 'trans woman' because 'trans' was an adjective and they said it wasn't. Now they embrace it?
Right, trans identified male it is. TiM.

I use the cumbersome male person with a transgender identity now because I think it shows the deliberateness of it all. But that is just my little rebellion.

I think most people I know have no idea what the word 'cis' means in regards to humans. Once you explain the concept, I have not found anyone who agrees that it describes them.

Dead opposite of my own experience. Most people I've explained it to have gone "oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense".

That depends entirely on how you've explained it @snekkes

Accurately: it's an adjective to denote a person who isn't trans.

You've just proved my point.

Who the hell needs a word for that? It’s the default, not being trans 🙄

Bit reminiscent of my father bellowing "I'm not 'straight', I'm normal!"

So you tell them that a cis woman does not necessarily mean that that person is actually female?

Good to know that you don’t give them the wrong definition.

By your logic he was /is Bi 😂