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I refuse to use the term Trans Woman? Am I guilty of Harassment?

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eulittleb831 · 06/02/2025 07:25

I read this brilliant piece by Josephine Bartosch who properly avoided the use of the misrepresentative term "Trans Woman" in the article and instead opted for "trans-identified male" to describe a.......... male identifying as trans. In doing so is she, like myself, guilty of "harassment" for not feeding into the trans-activist narrative and refusing to refer to a man as a woman, or any form of woman which might upset "Beth/Brian/Frank" whatever his name is?

thecritic.co.uk/describing-reality-is-not-harassment/

OP posts:
Leafstamp · 06/02/2025 21:21

bigvig · 06/02/2025 07:44

I don't see a problem with the term trans woman. I do have a problem with being told that trans women are actual women and that they can have access to women's spaces. Pick your battles I think. Trans woman makes sense as a category and many trans women are not predatory men so why offend them for the sake of it.

My previous reply to this got deleted, I don’t know why.

From memory, I said that it does not makes sense to call men “trans women”, because they are not a type of woman. Clearly.

Woman is not a mixed sex category. Clearly.

AnSolas · 06/02/2025 22:13

SailorSerena · 06/02/2025 17:30

If you mean non-cis as in trans (it already has its own word you really don't need to call it non-cis) then yes, that is trans women, i.e. women who were born male and may or may not still have a penis. Because thats what trans means, different than/opposite to. So opposite gender from birth is trans gender.

Cis means same, so cis gender is same gender as at birth. Calling women cis women doesn't reclassify women at all, it just means always was woman. So real woman. Biological woman. Whatever you want to call it woman. It just describes something that's always existed. Nothing new there, it's not harmful in anyway to call a woman someone who was always a woman and born a woman is it. People just object to it for some silly anti woke reason.

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If you mean non-cis as in trans (it already has its own word you really don't need to call it non-cis) then yes, that is trans women,

Fortunatly the english language already sex and species specific words for humans

So no need to use two or more words to describe a male human when the agreed term in use is man.

I will try to rephrase my prior post so.....

Using cis to include men is just a poor effort to reclassify woman to mean generic human.

should have been

Using cis to include men Of the sex class which produces small gamates (male) of the species of primate called Homo sapiens ( human), of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates (female) or small gamates (male) is just a poor effort to reclassify woman Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates to mean generic human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates.

And

So if cis is the woman without a penis non-cis is the woman with a penis.

should have been

So if cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
is the
woman human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
without
a penis external sex organs Of the sex class which produces small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
non-cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
is the
woman human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
with a penis external sex organs Of the sex class which produces small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces small gamate and not Of the sex class which produces large gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates.

In my opinion it would be much simpler (and shorter) to use one word for each sex.🤷‍♀️

i.e. women who were born male
Humans who are male are male once sperm and ova join to create a new human.

Describing a male as woman redefines the word woman to mean human.

This removes the ability use a single sex specific word for one of two class of humans.

and may or may not still have a penis.

FyI an cosmetic procedure to invert or otherwise alter the apparance of a penis is different the surgical removal penis and testes

Because thats what trans means, different than/opposite to.

The current scientific classification is based in sexual reproduction, so large or small gamates.

So opposite gender from birth is trans non-cis gender.

If you are not using the word gender to mean sex class, can you please provide your definiton of the word gender?

Cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
means
same as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates,
so
cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
gender [as yet undefined word which may or may not mean Of the sex class which produces large gamates or small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates]
is
same Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates,
gender [as yet undefined word which may or may not mean Of the sex class which produces large gamates or small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates]
as at birth.

😬???
It would be very helpful if you could please provide your definiton of the word gender.

Calling
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
cis [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
doesn't reclassify
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
at all, it just means always was
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].

That ^^ is unscientific opinion which you are free to have but others dont have to agree with.

However when you choose to redefine the word woman as a human if either sex you create classifcation system outside the accepted scientific classification.

So real
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].
Biological
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].
Whatever you want to call it
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].

Again when you choose to redefine the word woman as a human if either sex you create classifcation system outside the accepted scientific classification.

It just describes something that's always existed.

What does "it" mean in this sentence?

Nothing new there, it's not harmful in anyway to call a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
someone
who was always a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]* *
and born a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
is it.

Again you have an opinion which you are free to have.
However if you decide to change the meaning of the word which you are using to an unagreed meaning the other party will not be able to understand the meaning of your word.

People just object to it for some silly anti woke reason.

If the word "it" means using the word woman to mean man or woman, people object for various reasons.

You may have the opinion that a need for single sex services is silly and anti-woke others have the opinion that provision of single sex services are very important.
So when the word Women is used in Life or in Law only used for Female Humans.

SailorSerena · 06/02/2025 22:19

AnSolas · 06/02/2025 22:13

If you mean non-cis as in trans (it already has its own word you really don't need to call it non-cis) then yes, that is trans women,

Fortunatly the english language already sex and species specific words for humans

So no need to use two or more words to describe a male human when the agreed term in use is man.

I will try to rephrase my prior post so.....

Using cis to include men is just a poor effort to reclassify woman to mean generic human.

should have been

Using cis to include men Of the sex class which produces small gamates (male) of the species of primate called Homo sapiens ( human), of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates (female) or small gamates (male) is just a poor effort to reclassify woman Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates to mean generic human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates.

And

So if cis is the woman without a penis non-cis is the woman with a penis.

should have been

So if cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
is the
woman human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
without
a penis external sex organs Of the sex class which produces small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
non-cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
is the
woman human Of the sex class which produces large gamate or Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
with a penis external sex organs Of the sex class which produces small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces small gamate and not Of the sex class which produces large gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates.

In my opinion it would be much simpler (and shorter) to use one word for each sex.🤷‍♀️

i.e. women who were born male
Humans who are male are male once sperm and ova join to create a new human.

Describing a male as woman redefines the word woman to mean human.

This removes the ability use a single sex specific word for one of two class of humans.

and may or may not still have a penis.

FyI an cosmetic procedure to invert or otherwise alter the apparance of a penis is different the surgical removal penis and testes

Because thats what trans means, different than/opposite to.

The current scientific classification is based in sexual reproduction, so large or small gamates.

So opposite gender from birth is trans non-cis gender.

If you are not using the word gender to mean sex class, can you please provide your definiton of the word gender?

Cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
means
same as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates,
so
cis as the internal sex organs Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates which determines the classification to be Of the sex class which produces large gamate and not Of the sex class which produces small gamate Of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates
gender [as yet undefined word which may or may not mean Of the sex class which produces large gamates or small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates]
is
same Of the sex class which produces large gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates,
gender [as yet undefined word which may or may not mean Of the sex class which produces large gamates or small gamates of the species of primate called Homo sapiens, of which there are two sex class determined by being of the class which either produces large gamates or small gamates]
as at birth.

😬???
It would be very helpful if you could please provide your definiton of the word gender.

Calling
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
cis [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
doesn't reclassify
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
at all, it just means always was
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].

That ^^ is unscientific opinion which you are free to have but others dont have to agree with.

However when you choose to redefine the word woman as a human if either sex you create classifcation system outside the accepted scientific classification.

So real
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].
Biological
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].
Whatever you want to call it
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ].

Again when you choose to redefine the word woman as a human if either sex you create classifcation system outside the accepted scientific classification.

It just describes something that's always existed.

What does "it" mean in this sentence?

Nothing new there, it's not harmful in anyway to call a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
someone
who was always a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]* *
and born a
women [redefined to ..... new meaning ]
is it.

Again you have an opinion which you are free to have.
However if you decide to change the meaning of the word which you are using to an unagreed meaning the other party will not be able to understand the meaning of your word.

People just object to it for some silly anti woke reason.

If the word "it" means using the word woman to mean man or woman, people object for various reasons.

You may have the opinion that a need for single sex services is silly and anti-woke others have the opinion that provision of single sex services are very important.
So when the word Women is used in Life or in Law only used for Female Humans.

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Why are you just copy and pasting the same sentences over and over? I got bored 2/3rds of the way through so have no idea what point you are trying to make other than trying to make it look too difficult to understand the use of the simple terms trans woman as if it will bamboozle people so must be stopped. Except it's really not that hard.

Everyone knows sex and gender are not the same thing. No one claims that changing gender means literally changing your biological sex.

AnSolas · 06/02/2025 22:57

SailorSerena · 06/02/2025 22:19

Why are you just copy and pasting the same sentences over and over? I got bored 2/3rds of the way through so have no idea what point you are trying to make other than trying to make it look too difficult to understand the use of the simple terms trans woman as if it will bamboozle people so must be stopped. Except it's really not that hard.

Everyone knows sex and gender are not the same thing. No one claims that changing gender means literally changing your biological sex.

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Why are you just copy and pasting the same sentences over and over?

Its not copying and pasting, its using specific terms.

Due to your use "woman" to mean human, male, female, woman, man.

Everyone knows sex and gender are not the same thing.

It would be very helpful if you could please provide your definiton of the word gender.

No one claims that changing gender means literally changing your biological sex.

Law one

Where a gender recognition certificate (GRC) is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

Would you agree that with a GRC a human with a penis and teate and preferred gender is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman?

Law two

A person shall not discriminate in disposing of goods to the public generally or a section of the public or in providing a service, whether the disposal or provision is for consideration or otherwise and whether the service provided can be availed of only by a section of the public.

This does not apply in respect of
Differences in the treatment of persons on the gender ground (that one is male and the other is female) in relation to services of an aesthetic, cosmetic or similar nature, where the services require physical contact between the service provider and the recipient,

A human with a penis and teate and a GRC requests aesthetic services.

You have two staff, one female and one male, who only provide aesthetic services for persons of their own sex.

Which one may lawfully refuse to provide the service?

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Why are you just copy and pasting the same sentences over and over?

>> new text
I got bored 2/3rds of the way through so have no idea what point you are trying to make other than trying to make it look too difficult to understand the use of the simple terms trans woman as if it will bamboozle people so must be stopped.
Except it's really not that hard.

>> end of new text

Everyone knows sex and gender are not the same thing. No one claims that changing gender means literally changing your biological sex.

SamWaffles · 06/02/2025 23:08

WaitingForMojo · 06/02/2025 08:17

It’s not 50% who are offended. Very few have a problem with it. I’m a cis woman, and have no problem with that.
You don’t get to speak for other women, only yourself.

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Why are you okay with being a sub-set of woman? :/

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eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 06:48

Wolfhat · 06/02/2025 08:41

There are lots of discussions on trans issues and the importance of language elsewhere on the platform. This is legal matters and the question was on harassment. I am not a lawyer but have some experience in this area and know how hard it can be to prosecute even in the face of overwhelming evidence of harassment.

There is actually alot of discourse on this. It seems to be it could be under the 2010 equality act as it could violate their dignity and cause an offensive environment. (I know the come back will be they are creating offensive environments and violating my dignity... But thats not the question being asked).

A lot depends on the context you are using it in, if it is directed against an individual, what other actions accompany it and your relative position of power.

Using the term while taking part in discussions about the issue then no. Shouting it at your coworker and insisting on calling them a male name when theyve said they are called something else, then yeh it will form part of the pattern of harassment.

Shouting it at your co-worker? Where did you get this from? I am certain that I have not read that anywhere Sandie Peggie is alleged to have shouted at the man? If Beth/Brian/Frank identified as Jemima, a four-year old, occasionally and wanted to play with primary-age children during the week again would that be acceptable? Or is just women he can intimidate and abuse by his presence? I would guess that most men don't have an issue with changing in front of women, but the reverse doesn't always follow because of biological functions of a woman and the social expectations put on the form a woman's body should be in. The pattern of harassment for me is a man imposing himself on a female only changing room in a display of dominance, delusion and self-validation in my view.

OP posts:
HardenYourHeart · 07/02/2025 06:52

Gettingbysomehow · 06/02/2025 07:27

Really? I thought they called themselves actual women while we are the lesser cis women.

Are we still "cis"-women? I thought we now had to call ourselves "bleeders" or "uterus-havers"?

Wolfhat · 07/02/2025 10:12

@eulittleb831, apologies, I was sure this thread had been poster in legal, I must have misnavigated. As a result I was responding from a generic legal POV and not about a specific case nor my personal feelings around it.

I did not intend to imply that shouting had occurred in the specific cases but was responding to the question, can refusing to use the term transwoman be deemed harrassment as its interesting from a legal viewpoint.

I was saying that use in discussions is unlikely to rise to harrassment, as the judge with SP and DrBU has highlighted but if a person used it as part of a pattern of other behaviours, it could form part of the complaint. Did not mean to imply anyone had actually done this.

Helleofabore · 07/02/2025 10:27

The term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

There is no word left for female people.

Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes.

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:

Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^

Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It doesn't matter if it had some meaning in science, it has been utilised in a way that is not fit for purpose. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

Helleofabore · 07/02/2025 10:27

Wolfhat · 07/02/2025 10:12

@eulittleb831, apologies, I was sure this thread had been poster in legal, I must have misnavigated. As a result I was responding from a generic legal POV and not about a specific case nor my personal feelings around it.

I did not intend to imply that shouting had occurred in the specific cases but was responding to the question, can refusing to use the term transwoman be deemed harrassment as its interesting from a legal viewpoint.

I was saying that use in discussions is unlikely to rise to harrassment, as the judge with SP and DrBU has highlighted but if a person used it as part of a pattern of other behaviours, it could form part of the complaint. Did not mean to imply anyone had actually done this.

I suspected it was moved to the FWR board.

AnSolas · 07/02/2025 10:46

Helleofabore · 07/02/2025 10:27

I suspected it was moved to the FWR board.

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@Wolfhat
I can confirm that it was moved after 22:00 last nigh because I checked it was still in Legal Matters before I post War and Peace at 22:13

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 07/02/2025 11:11

Convolvulus · 06/02/2025 09:03

Also, any man who claims he is a woman and expects to access women’s spaces is predatory.

Nonsense. This is downgrading what "predatory" means.

No, it really isn’t. A man’s presence in women’s toilets, changing room etc is harmful, regardless of what he does there. Many women have been traumatised by male aggression, and trespassing is just another form of aggression.

RandySavage · 07/02/2025 12:14

Larper
Lunatic
Big hairy bloke
Man in a dress
Emperor (as in 'emperor's new clothes)
... there are so many choices.
There are men and women. Some wish they were the opposite sex, but they're not. 'Trans identified male/female' is clear and truthful, whereas 'transwoman/man' is confusing, incorrect, and dishonest.

"It’s not 50% who are offended. Very few have a problem with it"

I reckon it's way more than 50%, men don't like being called 'cis' either.

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 18:36

WaitingForMojo · 06/02/2025 08:17

It’s not 50% who are offended. Very few have a problem with it. I’m a cis woman, and have no problem with that.
You don’t get to speak for other women, only yourself.

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You don’t to speak for other women.

I find the qualifier of “cis” offensive. It suggests I’m in a sub-set of my sex.

PriOn1 · 12/02/2025 18:49

I hope it never comes up at work, because I genuinely don’t think I could bring myself to lie.

Two close family members have ostracized me for my “bigotry”, but it would actually cost me more to lie than to lose them, which is horrendous, but I just can’t do it. To call men women, or she, or her would have an enormous impact on my mental health. Being ostracized is close to unbearable, but I would rather that than be gaslighted (again).

WaitingForMojo · 12/02/2025 18:54

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 18:36

You don’t to speak for other women.

I find the qualifier of “cis” offensive. It suggests I’m in a sub-set of my sex.

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I didn’t speak for anyone but myself. You find it offensive. I, and the vast majority of women I know, find your perspective offensive.

Snowypeaks · 12/02/2025 19:18

I just say "male/males" or "male person/male people"

Because that's the issue.

ETA: II don't use "woman" to describe male people with a trans identity because they are not any sort of woman. Male who claims to be a woman (MCW) is the acronym I use.

KilkennyCats · 12/02/2025 19:19

WaitingForMojo · 12/02/2025 18:54

I didn’t speak for anyone but myself. You find it offensive. I, and the vast majority of women I know, find your perspective offensive.

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You clearly don’t know enough women to make that statistically significant 🤷🏻‍♀️

WaitingForMojo · 12/02/2025 19:32

KilkennyCats · 12/02/2025 19:19

You clearly don’t know enough women to make that statistically significant 🤷🏻‍♀️

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And do you?!

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 19:49

WaitingForMojo · 12/02/2025 18:54

I didn’t speak for anyone but myself. You find it offensive. I, and the vast majority of women I know, find your perspective offensive.

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There you go again, speaking for just yourself.

oh well, can’t argue with stupid, as they say.

Justme56 · 12/02/2025 19:50

SailorSerena · 06/02/2025 22:19

Why are you just copy and pasting the same sentences over and over? I got bored 2/3rds of the way through so have no idea what point you are trying to make other than trying to make it look too difficult to understand the use of the simple terms trans woman as if it will bamboozle people so must be stopped. Except it's really not that hard.

Everyone knows sex and gender are not the same thing. No one claims that changing gender means literally changing your biological sex.

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Can I introduce you to Dr Upton.

Valeriekat · 12/02/2025 20:01

Chersfrozenface · 06/02/2025 14:32

And what do chemistry terms have to do with human biology?

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It is the whole reason that these terms were used! Did you not know that?

Chersfrozenface · 12/02/2025 20:11

Valeriekat · 12/02/2025 20:01

It is the whole reason that these terms were used! Did you not know that?

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It was by way of a rhetorical question.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2025 20:19

and the vast majority of women I know, find your perspective offensive.

They're not representative, so what?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2025 20:21

Why do people think that boasting about their out of touch filter bubble not sharing our opinions is jn some way convincing?

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