Actor in lead role of 'Emilia Perez' has received nomination for Best Actress

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Karla Garcia Gascon has been nominated for Best Actress. Karla is a transwoman. This thread has been taken down twice. Hat trick, anyone?

I didn't see the other threads but I wonder if they were taken down because people weren't being entirely complimentary about this person's appearance ...

The other threads were taken down because of the blatant transphobia.

If the category if for females it should be for females.

Blatant transphobia or scientific fact? Humans can't change sex

I can’t understand why Jessica Alves has been passed over. Shame on the committee !

It is fascinating to watch how missing threads and missing posts create the opportunity for people to insert their own narrative.

I wish MN would add a little information about why something was deleted to make that harder , for example "this post was not abusive but we do not allow personal comments about specific people" or "this post went beyond robust disagreement to personal attack" or "this post was not especially problematic but it mentioned a known vexatious litigant and we feel better safe than sorry"

Noooooo, that's what happened with Squid Game and it was v transphobic apparently.
It must be a man pretending to be a woman playing a man pretending to be a woman.

Yeah this is the type of post i meant, thats the only thing i can think of on the first thread

It isn’t right. That’s all there is to it really. When you think of the historic abuses of female actresses over the years and the appalling sexism in the film industry. I remember a time when actresses weren’t taken seriously unless they had filmed violent sexual attacks. The “casting couch”, the “if you do this I’m going to make you a star” ethos. Remember back 60/50 years when those beautiful young starlets were prostituted around the Hollywood execs and friends? That was all still happening under Whine-stein and took some brave women to blow the whistle? So I would like to see this trans woman celebrated as a trans woman with their own personal struggles discussed and not on the back of women.

@UrsulasHerbBag but don't you see, this is exactly why male actors are better at playing women than female actors! Male actors have the perspective to cut through all the irrelevent stuff like sexism and domestic load and frustration at being ignored and talked over and the lifetime impact of childbirth and child rearing that female actors always want to bring in to a character. Male actors meanwhile get right to the real core of womanhood: great hair, great rack, a bodycon dress and a head tilt ❤

I had forgotten that bit.

Yep @FlirtsWithRhinos has it right. We are just NOT AS GOOD AS MEN apparently. We are even not as good as men when it comes to being women either. Only a man can show us how to do it properly. These men also have the privilege of doing womanhood without any of the pesky biological issues us sub-human women deal with on a daily basis. It must be great! Because after all we women are really just defined by the pretty dresses we wear, the way we can head tilt, our fishnets, carrying our little lady handbags, squeaking with high pitched feminine voices. That's all we are really. Well, according to our betters anyway; those REAL humans, the ones who always, always know best. We must just smile and nod and reassure them that yes, we don't know any better and defer to them for all. Even when it comes to defining our womanhood. Hey of course we aren't as good as men at knowing what that is.🙃

The Oscars are just a very public wank anyway. This latest bollocks allowing a female award to go to a male for political virtue signalling illustrates the nonsense of the whole thing once again, not that any confirmation is needed.

I agree that it's better that natal males play transwomen as it is much more realistic than when natal females play them.

Felicity Huffman played a transwoman in Transameric (was Oscar nominated) and she had to have a lot of prosthetics to give her a masculine face.
Chloe Sevigny played a transgender assassin and again had to masculine her performance and wear prosthetics to give her a penis.

And there have been some ridiculous examples, there was some drama on BBC ("Secretaries" or something?) and the plot twist was that this petite woman (played by a woman) was actually someone's long lost brother.

Basically females lack the masculinity to play transwomen.

I see nothing progressive in promoting men over women. On a different note - complete side issue - the UK government is cutting back on extending women's health services to prioritise other areas. Only 51% of the population are women (who tend to vote, too), so they don't matter, obv.

This thread is stil up. The bots must have got fed up!

I bet he'll win too in order to demonstrate how liberal Hollywood is compared to Trump. It's so depressing. But that's liberal America for you.

They are also up for the BAFTA here.

Monitors still in bed I should think. I'm sure the Americans will be coming online soon to tell us what bad women we are.

Well that prompted quite the rabbit hole 😂

I just watched this. Weirdly I put it on my watchlist before I knew what it was about exactly as I was curious to see the spectacle.

I'm going to say spoiler alert for those who will watch the film....

It's an absolute mess of a film. The reason this actor should not win is because their performance is not very good frankly. The whole film has a shallow and nonsensical script. There is zero character development. If they think in any way this celebrates trans people, it does the exact opposite but only if you actually think about it beyond the way the utterly narcissistic main character sees things.

In the way we've all read the awful time trans widows have had, this shows up the chaos all around the central character getting what he wants at all costs as a man or trans woman. That his own wife doesn't recognise him seems crazy. She is clearly still a strong, muscular person with a male physique except for the fake boobs and hair and nails and lips.

Some bizarre redemption story that just by means of transitioning, the person literally becomes a better person... only to show the violent monster again when she doesn't get her own way.

It's just terrible. It seems utterly vacuous and shallow. I think they think they've made great art and that anyone is taken in , is the emporers new clothes. To be fair, I don't think any performance in the film is good because I don't think the actors could really get any emotional depth out of it.

Jaye Davidson had no acting experience but for his work in The Crying Game, Davidson was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor (Oscar) and for the BAFTA Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role in 1993.

His appearance and ability to pass was critical for the plot. Miramax apparently didn’t even want people to know if the actor was a man or a woman.

Looking back on people’s reactions it seems a 50-50 split on whether they guessed. The premise that the other character didn’t is therefore believable and carries the film.

There was no suggestion for him to be up for best supporting actress though.

I know the Oscars is very flawed already but I did like to think of the actresses awards as being something where women were uniquely on equal footing with men because men couldn’t be in it. For example, out the 257 individual directors nominated in the history of the award, only 9 have been women and only 3 of the 75 winners have been women. I love the fact that actresses whose profile and wage has been raised by getting awards, are now picking projects with female directors to use their influence (like Nicole Kidman). Stories told by female creatives are important for everyone.

Thank you @Mumteedum for watching it for us. I really didn't fancy it - even less after your review.🙄

If you want to go on about female directors (the first Oscar winner being) Kathryn Bigelow for The Hurt Locker, a film that explores masculinity, in much better depth probably because it's done from an outsider.

I'm enough of a film nerd to be glad I've seen it despite thinking it was pants. 😁

I'm disappointed though not surprised entirely that Mark Kermode loved it.