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Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth

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IwantToRetire · 21/01/2025 18:51

Purpose.

Ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers. This is wrong. Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being. The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system. Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself.

This unhealthy road is paved by an ongoing and purposeful attack against the ordinary and longstanding use and understanding of biological and scientific terms, replacing the immutable biological reality of sex with an internal, fluid, and subjective sense of self unmoored from biological facts. Invalidating the true and biological category of “woman” improperly transforms laws and policies designed to protect sex-based opportunities into laws and policies that undermine them, replacing longstanding, cherished legal rights and values with an identity-based, inchoate social concept.

This will defend women’s rights and protect freedom of conscience by using clear and accurate language and policies that recognize women are biologically female, and men are biologically male.

Policy and Definitions.

The policy is to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality:

(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”

(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

(f) “Gender ideology” replaces the biological category of sex with an ever-shifting concept of self-assessed gender identity, permitting the false claim that males can identify as and thus become women and vice versa, and requiring all institutions of society to regard this false claim as true. Gender ideology includes the idea that there is a vast spectrum of genders that are disconnected from one’s sex. Gender ideology is internally inconsistent, in that it diminishes sex as an identifiable or useful category but nevertheless maintains that it is possible for a person to be born in the wrong sexed body.

(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.

Recognizing Women Are Biologically Distinct From Men.

Full statement text at https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Every news outlet is reporting this as anti trans legisliaton.

Not one has reported it is about women's rights.

That's why I started this thread, although there are others as hoping the search engines will pick it up.

Seems that women's rights are so unimportant to anyone, that even when there is a political statement about them, the media reports it is about something else.

Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

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lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:13

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:09

Wow people really are exposing their reasoning here. Alarming,

The only person exposing their reasoning is you.

Your contempt for women is clearer with every post you write.

bluenova · 27/01/2025 22:13

@Lostcat the analogy is lost on you then.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:13

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:11

No.

I think men attack women because men are the aggressor class and it is about power and control. Trans women are still part of the aggressor class and are as likely to attack women as any other male.

I don't think it has anything to do with clothing choice.

I do think that it is harmful to women to suggest the aggressor class should have increased access to spaces where women are vulnerable.

Victorian women urinating in the street would have made themselves vulnerable to attack no matter the length of their skirt.

Women shouldn't have to lose dignity because males including trans women want to be in spaces that they shouldn't be in.

I think it this line of argument is highly offensive and any feminist would know that.

Really? Because you wrote:

*If a woman lifted her skirt to urinate the chances are she would have been sexually assaulted

Arran2024 · 27/01/2025 22:15

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:55

And there is no need to "pass". Being trans is an identity in its own right

no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Being trans means whatever someone wants it to mean. Some go full glam like a drag queen, some try their hardest to look like the women around them eg Eddie/Suzie Izzard. And others are mixing it all up, like "lesbian" Alex Drummond and their full beard and moustache. Keep the penis, grow breasts, wear no make up, put on a skirt, keep the facial hair....they are showing the world how gender non conforming they are - all while using the ladies of course.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:15

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:13

Really? Because you wrote:

*If a woman lifted her skirt to urinate the chances are she would have been sexually assaulted

Factually she would have had to lift a skirt, I used that wording because a man could remove his penis from his trousers without exposing half his body.

You really are beyond the pale with your contempt for women Lostcat.

I'm not often utterly disgusted by posters on here but you are deliberately twisting the meaning of my posts to support giving male bodied people increased access to vulnerable women.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:16

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:13

The only person exposing their reasoning is you.

Your contempt for women is clearer with every post you write.

Why? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable to compare the need to segregate woman to the need to lock up a house? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable - or demonstrates any kind of awareness of the realities of male sexual violence against women - to suggest that if a woman lifts her skirt she will likely be sexually assaulted (compared to not lifting her skirt meaning she likely wouldn’t),?

hihelenhi · 27/01/2025 22:16

bluenova · 27/01/2025 22:12

That projection again.

Indeed. Every accusation...

Great case study though.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 27/01/2025 22:18

Arran2024 · 27/01/2025 22:15

Being trans means whatever someone wants it to mean. Some go full glam like a drag queen, some try their hardest to look like the women around them eg Eddie/Suzie Izzard. And others are mixing it all up, like "lesbian" Alex Drummond and their full beard and moustache. Keep the penis, grow breasts, wear no make up, put on a skirt, keep the facial hair....they are showing the world how gender non conforming they are - all while using the ladies of course.

Lostcat doesn't get out much. She thinks they all look like Mrs Doubtfire

hihelenhi · 27/01/2025 22:18

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:16

Why? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable to compare the need to segregate woman to the need to lock up a house? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable - or demonstrates any kind of awareness of the realities of male sexual violence against women - to suggest that if a woman lifts her skirt she will likely be sexually assaulted (compared to not lifting her skirt meaning she likely wouldn’t),?

Edited

How interesting.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:19

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:16

Why? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable to compare the need to segregate woman to the need to lock up a house? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable - or demonstrates any kind of awareness of the realities of male sexual violence against women - to suggest that if a woman lifts her skirt she will likely be sexually assaulted (compared to not lifting her skirt meaning she likely wouldn’t),?

Edited

You will never understand the needs for female bodied people to have spaces away from our oppressor class because you don't see us as fully human.

This is a you problem.
You are a misgoynist.

There is no need to keep women in our homes. Sex based protections work adequately so long as male bodied people including trans women see women as fully human being and are decent enough to stay out of women's spaces to ensure we are safe.

Decent men do this already.

You and the trans women you advocate for who intend to invade our spaces are not decent.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 27/01/2025 22:19

It's a fact though that if women showed any form of vulnerability then men would take advantage and lifting up big heavy skirts left women very vulnerable.

WandaSiri · 27/01/2025 22:20

Ignore the derailer. They seem to be enjoying upsetting other posters now - probably why they haven't gone, as they kept promising to.

Can't remember who said it, but:
"Don't argue with a fool. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 27/01/2025 22:23

WandaSiri · 27/01/2025 22:20

Ignore the derailer. They seem to be enjoying upsetting other posters now - probably why they haven't gone, as they kept promising to.

Can't remember who said it, but:
"Don't argue with a fool. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."

Au contraire. I have learnt a lot about the weaknesses of gender ideology and how to exploit them. I do agree that the poster is becoming goady now. Probably just trying to run the thread out

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:23

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 22:16

Why? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable to compare the need to segregate woman to the need to lock up a house? Because I don’t think it’s acceptable - or demonstrates any kind of awareness of the realities of male sexual violence against women - to suggest that if a woman lifts her skirt she will likely be sexually assaulted (compared to not lifting her skirt meaning she likely wouldn’t),?

Edited

*Because I think it’s dehumanising to compare the need to segregate woman to the need to lock up a house

bluenova · 27/01/2025 22:24

@lostcat thanks for proving my point. You don't understand the analogy.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:24

WandaSiri · 27/01/2025 22:20

Ignore the derailer. They seem to be enjoying upsetting other posters now - probably why they haven't gone, as they kept promising to.

Can't remember who said it, but:
"Don't argue with a fool. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."

Agree, Lost has had explanations that work for decent males, including decent trans women.

Lost is a common or garden misogynist.

We have established that it is possible to have workable laws that prevent women from sex based oppression which means keeping single sex spaces away from all of the oppressor class including trans women, whilst maintaining protection from harassment and workplace or housing discrimination for trans women.

Any trans woman who will not respect the fact that women have faced sex based oppression and need such spaces doesn't see women as fully human and proves themselves to be predatory.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:49

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 27/01/2025 22:19

It's a fact though that if women showed any form of vulnerability then men would take advantage and lifting up big heavy skirts left women very vulnerable.

Lostcats knows this.

What lostcats has done is fished for wording that they can use to argue against women's sex based rights in favour of male predators.

They cherry picked words from my post and removed the context from them to suggest I said something that I didn't say. We have this happen so often on here.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is not a form of negative data fishing to post on other social media forums.

it is clear to all of the readers of this thread that I was not making any form of suggestion that if a woman wears a short skirt or if she lifts her skirt she is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is simply projection to support giving access to males to women's single sex spaces.

Utterly contemptible conduct by lostcats which proves that they do not post on here in good faith.

NotAtMyAge · 27/01/2025 22:56

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:05

You can keep repeating this and keep being wrong.
Again, just last April the UN adopted an international resolution protecting the rights of intersex people.
It’s not an outdated term. Language is contested. Some people reject this terminology, others embrace it.

Edited

Even if they reject the term intersex they are still either male or female, not some vague position between. Differences of sexual development are sex-specific, though it may sometimes take scientific tests to determine the sex. Given that the UN is happily throwing women under the bus in favour of men with gender feelings, I'm not sure how much value one can put on their protection of anyone's rights.

FlowchartRequired · 27/01/2025 22:58

Bloody hell. Lost has been a busy sealion since I last checked this thread. CBA to read their nonsense, I imagine it is just as deranged as ever.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 27/01/2025 23:04

FlowchartRequired · 27/01/2025 22:58

Bloody hell. Lost has been a busy sealion since I last checked this thread. CBA to read their nonsense, I imagine it is just as deranged as ever.

No, I think s/he gve a convincing explanation of the automatic cognitive sex thingy. I can't believe FondOfBeetles has never told us about it

NotAtMyAge · 27/01/2025 23:09

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 27/01/2025 21:18

Radicalised by Mumsnet! Join the club👋

Me too. Back in 2017/18 at the time of the GRA consultation. I've never looked back. 😁

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 23:14

that work for decent males, including decent trans women

😡

Helleofabore · 27/01/2025 23:16

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:38

There’s no inevitability to the urinary leash! Its rooted in sexist constructs of modesty.

And sanitation / hygiene.

I don’t think you have thought about the reality of why women needed toilet facilities.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 23:17

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 22:49

Lostcats knows this.

What lostcats has done is fished for wording that they can use to argue against women's sex based rights in favour of male predators.

They cherry picked words from my post and removed the context from them to suggest I said something that I didn't say. We have this happen so often on here.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is not a form of negative data fishing to post on other social media forums.

it is clear to all of the readers of this thread that I was not making any form of suggestion that if a woman wears a short skirt or if she lifts her skirt she is asking to be sexually assaulted. This is simply projection to support giving access to males to women's single sex spaces.

Utterly contemptible conduct by lostcats which proves that they do not post on here in good faith.

Edited

is clear to all of the readers of this thread that I was not making any form of suggestion that if a woman wears a short skirt or if she lifts her skirt she is asking to be sexually assaulted

It wasn’t at all clear to me as it’s exactly what you said - not that you were saying they were “asking to be “ but rather that they - “would be” - when I suggested women didn’t need to be on a urinary leash. As if women lifting their skirts is what causes sexual assault. Perhaps you regret saying it and realise it didn’t make sense- I can understand that. But don’t lash out at me and call me names. Instead, reflect on what you are really arguing for here and be a little more thoughtful/ do a little better next time.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 23:18

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 23:14

that work for decent males, including decent trans women

😡

Decent trans women understand that women are oppressed based on our sexed bodies and see women as fully human so stay out of women’s single sexed spaces and sports because they understand our oppression is not something that trans women can face and understand their presence adds to that oppression.

it’s not difficult lost cats.

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