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Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth

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IwantToRetire · 21/01/2025 18:51

Purpose.

Ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers. This is wrong. Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being. The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system. Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself.

This unhealthy road is paved by an ongoing and purposeful attack against the ordinary and longstanding use and understanding of biological and scientific terms, replacing the immutable biological reality of sex with an internal, fluid, and subjective sense of self unmoored from biological facts. Invalidating the true and biological category of “woman” improperly transforms laws and policies designed to protect sex-based opportunities into laws and policies that undermine them, replacing longstanding, cherished legal rights and values with an identity-based, inchoate social concept.

This will defend women’s rights and protect freedom of conscience by using clear and accurate language and policies that recognize women are biologically female, and men are biologically male.

Policy and Definitions.

The policy is to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality:

(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”

(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

(f) “Gender ideology” replaces the biological category of sex with an ever-shifting concept of self-assessed gender identity, permitting the false claim that males can identify as and thus become women and vice versa, and requiring all institutions of society to regard this false claim as true. Gender ideology includes the idea that there is a vast spectrum of genders that are disconnected from one’s sex. Gender ideology is internally inconsistent, in that it diminishes sex as an identifiable or useful category but nevertheless maintains that it is possible for a person to be born in the wrong sexed body.

(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.

Recognizing Women Are Biologically Distinct From Men.

Full statement text at https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Every news outlet is reporting this as anti trans legisliaton.

Not one has reported it is about women's rights.

That's why I started this thread, although there are others as hoping the search engines will pick it up.

Seems that women's rights are so unimportant to anyone, that even when there is a political statement about them, the media reports it is about something else.

Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

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RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/01/2025 20:34

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:27

No ,I called your understanding of single “sex” transphobic.
Your understanding is clear because of what you write here.

Edited

what have i written?

i have written in the past that i am happy to use gender neutral toilets…so that makes me transphobic.

gosh this gets very confusing

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 20:35

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:34

The social contract never excluded trans women . Trans women have been using female toilets for decades.

Yes it did. They were for women who are oppressed on the basis of our sexed bodies. Any male who entered them, even dysphoric males, were breaking the social contract.

We are calling this out now because of the actions of TRAs.

FlowchartRequired · 27/01/2025 20:36

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:30

Trans women were always able to enter women’s toilets. Women’s toilets were never guarded against this. This hasn’t changed.

Edited

Because the last few years of Stonewall pushing the T has emoldened some males to do what they want and not to not give a damn about the women in there (including those who are victims of sexual assault or rape). It is not what has 'always been' at all. In years gone by, any male (including transvestites and transexuals as they were then known) could be challanged and removed from the ladies toilets.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/01/2025 20:37

Im going in whatever bog has the shortest queue at this point…but i understand that other women have different needs to me

AlisonDonut · 27/01/2025 20:38

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:34

The social contract never excluded trans women . Trans women have been using female toilets for decades.

The whole men using women's spaces idea came about because the doctors signing off on gender recognition certificates or surgery forced them into female spaces to prove they were 'living as a woman'. That's why they have been infiltrating female spaces, knowing they were only there for admin purposes.

hihelenhi · 27/01/2025 20:38

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:06

@teentantrums here

Except there were multiple unpickings throughout the thread of a number of the claims you made in those posts.

Notably the idea of a "cognitive sex" (a kind of "gendered soul?") and what reference was being used to 'know' that, say, a biological male in fact had an inner cognition that he was something he'd call "female" or "not male". We didn't get a satisfactory answer to what "female" was referring to here or what this actually meant. Instead we got rather a circular argument saying it's somehow "the same" as a female who knows she is female solely because she has a female body. That's what being "female" is.

What other references for 'female' is that man using for his "automatic cognition"?

And how does his "automatic cognition" that he is female bear any relation to the biological reality of being an actual female?

We know that gender dysphoria exists. But that's not the question we were asking. This was then sort of handwaved away and then you seemed to start arguing that females don't need single sex spaces and it's prejudiced to want them. You haven't addressed any of the stats about the material and known differences between male and female people and how this bears any relation to the "automatic cognition of being female" you claim males who id as trans women have.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 20:39

AlisonDonut · 27/01/2025 20:38

The whole men using women's spaces idea came about because the doctors signing off on gender recognition certificates or surgery forced them into female spaces to prove they were 'living as a woman'. That's why they have been infiltrating female spaces, knowing they were only there for admin purposes.

Good point, Blanchard has a lot to answer to.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/01/2025 20:39

The social contract never excluded trans women

Yes it did. No one asked us if we minded. We do.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/01/2025 20:43

Wow - I see that the performance of patriarchy on this thread is never ending.

Single sex spaces for women are "transphobic"
Women accurately sexing men is "transphobic"
Safeguarding girls from indecent exposure and voyeurism is "transphobic"
Not to mention allegations of prudery and feeble attempts to reframe the legitimate need for single sex spaces for girls and women as being based on on "a number of really problematic assumptions/ stereotypes/ prejudices"
😂😂😂

What's that 2nd rule of misogyny? Oh yes,
Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

Arran2024 · 27/01/2025 20:45

Myalternate · 27/01/2025 20:26

I lack nothing.

I’m a woman. An Adult Human Female.
I’m a Mother. I was very much present when my little people were born out of my female parts having been kept safe from harm for 9 months in my very female uterus.

My attitude towards trans people is one of sympathy. I sympathise with people that suffer from any mental disorders that they have to live with.

Until someone proves unequivocally that a sense of self (‘feelings’ in other words) of being Trans can be scientifically proven, I’ll stick with the definition found on the Transequality site. I’m trying so hard to be fair 🙂

Sorry, i didnt mean tovreply to you!!

This is theory. And it doesn't align with what is happening, which is that any man can claim to be trans and demand full access to women's services and there is nothing we can do about it. There is no test, no barrier.

The Scottish gov couldn't come up with any definition of what living your life as the opposite sex means for its (now defunct) GR bill. In fact, it didn't require the applicant to be trans at all - just pay your £5, no evidence needed.

The naivety is in believing this inner gendered soul business, rather than using common sense to see exactly what is going on here.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/01/2025 20:46

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/01/2025 20:43

Wow - I see that the performance of patriarchy on this thread is never ending.

Single sex spaces for women are "transphobic"
Women accurately sexing men is "transphobic"
Safeguarding girls from indecent exposure and voyeurism is "transphobic"
Not to mention allegations of prudery and feeble attempts to reframe the legitimate need for single sex spaces for girls and women as being based on on "a number of really problematic assumptions/ stereotypes/ prejudices"
😂😂😂

What's that 2nd rule of misogyny? Oh yes,
Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

Edited

I think gender neutral is transphobic now

i only starting using it to be down with the kids 😩

SionnachRuadh · 27/01/2025 20:51

If it matters, men and boys don't want females in their single sex spaces either. The calculus around safety doesn't really apply, but privacy and dignity do.

Granted that a minority of men are compulsive exhibitionists, most men and boys would be very uncomfortable with a scenario where any random woman could wander into their changing rooms and ogle their dicks.

Except that never seems to happen. Funny that. It's almost as if the sexes are different.

And nobody ever says, let's divide toilets and changing rooms into female and mixed sex. It's always male and mixed sex. Funny that.

I still haven't seen anything to convince me that this whole argument is not being driven by the smallish percentage of men who get off on encroaching on women's boundaries.

NotAtMyAge · 27/01/2025 20:51

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 17:09

I don’t believe there is a solid scientific or ethical basis for claiming that the current rules surrounding the participation of trans and intersex people in sports are unfair.

How many times does it have to be repeated that intersex (a dated and imprecise term) people are either male or female? Differences or disorders of sexual development are sex-specific.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:55

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 20:34

And you've added 'never guarded' in your edit.

We shouldn't have to guard against our oppressor class. That you can't see that says a hell of a lot about your opinion of people with female sexed bodies (otherwise known as women).

no we shouldn’t have to guard them I agree.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/01/2025 20:57

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/01/2025 20:46

I think gender neutral is transphobic now

i only starting using it to be down with the kids 😩

😂
I think everything women do is considered to be transphobic nowadays. Which of course has rendered the allegation to be pointless.
When you complain that safeguarding children or women wanting privacy from random men when undressed is "transphobic" then most people see what a dangerous nonsense it all is.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:57

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 20:35

Yes it did. They were for women who are oppressed on the basis of our sexed bodies. Any male who entered them, even dysphoric males, were breaking the social contract.

We are calling this out now because of the actions of TRAs.

I disagree entirely. The social contract never excluded trans women until recently because of the rise of transphobia. People didn’t have this kind of issue with trans women 15 / 20 years ago. A trans woman won big brother!

Helleofabore · 27/01/2025 20:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/01/2025 19:13

No @Lostcat you've simply pushed your own pseudoscience.

Yes.

And that link about cognition doesn’t really support what Lostcat attempts to present as science.

DeanElderberry · 27/01/2025 20:59

20th male transvestism was often linked to erotic motivations.That has not ceased to be a motivation for men, but some younger men seem to want to opt out of an extreme macho culture demonstrated in some schools.

21st C female transgenderism is often a variation of the wish to opt out of body-centered sexual harassment that earlier manifested as cutting and eating disorders.

Some boys and girls may be trying to deny same-sex attraction, which is extraordinary considering being gay seemed to have been completely normalised by the start of the 21st C.

And some of them are autistic.

The single vague term 'trans' being applied to all of these is so confusing as to be meaningless.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:00

Helleofabore · 27/01/2025 20:59

Yes.

And that link about cognition doesn’t really support what Lostcat attempts to present as science.

That link was posted regarding the physical basis for cognitive processes- what is your issue with it?

Oops sorry wrong poster.

Chersfrozenface · 27/01/2025 21:01

I wonder whether "no we shouldn’t have to guard them I agree" means "of course we shouldn't guard them, we should allow in, nay, welcome, anyone who wants to come in".

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:01

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:00

That link was posted regarding the physical basis for cognitive processes- what is your issue with it?

Oops sorry wrong poster.

Edited

Please disregard !

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:02

Chersfrozenface · 27/01/2025 21:01

I wonder whether "no we shouldn’t have to guard them I agree" means "of course we shouldn't guard them, we should allow in, nay, welcome, anyone who wants to come in".

Haha I can’t win. I hate women if Im understood to imply they should be guarded and I hate women if I imply they shouldn’t .

Helleofabore · 27/01/2025 21:03

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:17

And here @teentantrums

And this link really doesn’t support your cognitive sex theory.

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 21:05

NotAtMyAge · 27/01/2025 20:51

How many times does it have to be repeated that intersex (a dated and imprecise term) people are either male or female? Differences or disorders of sexual development are sex-specific.

You can keep repeating this and keep being wrong.
Again, just last April the UN adopted an international resolution protecting the rights of intersex people.
It’s not an outdated term. Language is contested. Some people reject this terminology, others embrace it.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/01/2025 21:11

Lostcat · 27/01/2025 20:57

I disagree entirely. The social contract never excluded trans women until recently because of the rise of transphobia. People didn’t have this kind of issue with trans women 15 / 20 years ago. A trans woman won big brother!

The fact that a trans woman won big brother doesn't mean that women don't need protection from sex based oppression from our oppressor class which includes trans women like Nadia.

Nadia won big brother the same year that the Gender Recognition Act was introduced in 2004.

Call me a cynic but that's one hell of a coincidence.

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