I think the spell is finally broken...

[Daysnconfuddled]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

"I know better than you but I'm not going to bother to say why because it's an echo chamber" has strong "I have much much better arguments than you but they go to a different school so you wouldn't know them" vibes!

The thing is, for someone who claims not to be ignorant about gender critical feminism your earlier post certainly did a good impression of it! Pro tip - if you want to show why someone is wrong, it helps to be accurate about what they actually say and think, otherwise it just makes you look like you don't understand. (Unless of course the aim is not to actually address gender critical beliefs but simply to smear those who hold them. But I'm sure that is not the case here.)

The good thing about FWR is that unlike the actual echo chambers on FB, Bluesky, Reddit, Mastodon and various forums where gender critical comments are deleted and members who make them banned, on FWR opposing views are publicly challenged not simply disappeared.

The best way to break the FWR "echo chamber" is to argue effectively for an opposing position. I would listen and engage in good faith. I genuinely find it very frustrating that the pro gender posters who visit FWR make a worse case for genderism than I could, and I don't even believe in it!

I'm a bit jealous of Americans. Not gonna lie.

Oh look - another woman whose professional expertise he seems to value and not wish to send back barefoot to the kitchen! Not surprised it was written by a woman.

The most recent changes to abortion happened under Biden's presidency, he and Harris could've stepped in but they didn't, because they knew they could use the issue against the Republicans in the midterms (which worked).

Please can people stop with the slippery slope argument "this is actually bad for women because of something that may happen in the future". What specifically is wrong with this current Executive Order, not Trump, not Musk, not the future, please tell me what is wrong purely with this order.

what complete nonsense. The issue is not the same as it was/is for gay people, no matter how much the radical trans community wants to hijack it to give their cause some kind of legitimacy

His TikTok ban was also an executive order, which was defeated in court. Do I need to spell out my arguments chapter and verse? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?

Also, you're wrong about abortion. This could be arranged at a federal level. However, so far, neither Democrats nor Republicans are interested in doing that. Furthermore, abortion is a fundamental right of women.

It is your misunderstanding that you are seeing here. Most gender critical feminists, being, well, feminists, are not aligned with Trump other than on this one thing, which I have to say I'm surprised has been done as well as it was and as early as it was. Open your eyes, stop letting your hate for gender critical women blind you, and you will feel much more positive.

Thing is, I'm sure Trump has some anti-women ideas, Musk and Vance certainly do. However, just making out he's really extreme to the point of almost the Taliban when he employs women and puts them in senior positions in his administration means you lose people. You'll never convince anyone of anything if you lie so baldly at the outset.

Everyone's sick of the obvious lying. Surely Trump's election must have taught people at least this?

Roe vs Wade was always under threat from the start. Many presidents of both sides could have done something about it but chose not to. It's not one side's fault it's a 'both sides' problem.

The cognitive dissonance my brain is experiencing is painful, so very painful. Ma poor wee heid. 😭

But I'll cope.

Supporting one thing a despot does is not the same as supporting the despot himself.

They also apparently haven't noticed he's appointed the first ever female Chief of Staff - one of the most powerful positions in America.

Yes, the 2nd most powerful person is DC isn't President Musk, it's Susie Wiles, Trump's Chief of Staff. That EO - like everything else -.had to go through her.

So can we stop with the "Trump hates women" nonsense?

I grew up in New York City and it was well known that if a woman wanted to work in construction, she had to work for the Trump Organisation - because Trump was the only one who was willing to tell the all-male unions to go fuck themselves.

(I'm not even going to bother with the rape accusations except to say that E. Jean Carroll's story does not align with the facts.)

Here is Lynn Patton's story of what it's like to be a woman working for Trump.

I was interested in how clear the EO was in its language and definitions. This was obviously not Trump’s work but of a woman.

Starmer today warned there is a new threat of extreme violence by "loners, misfits, young men in their bedroom" accessing material online. I am hoping Starmer wrote this and this is the start of clearer language from him.

Trump is an ass
This is a great piece of legislation

I'll take it as a win for now.

We all know Trump's agenda is purely self-serving
We all know that those same US women who just won their biological sex back may still have to fight for autonomy over their own bodies, but a win is a win.

I would fucking LOVE to see that on uk.gov website.

Nothing will make me love Trump. He’s a misogynist, racist troglodyte who could not care less about women’s rights. He’s a narcissist and a manipulator, who always has a malevolent agenda.

This.

What a depressing thread. Our enemy's enemy has landed a knockout blow that will make it easier for us to achieve our ends. We rejoice and we exploit the new situation as far as we can.

Does nobody have any history under their belt? You make useful alliances to achieve your end: Britain allied with the Russians to achieve the defeat of Germany. It didn't mean that Britain became Communist or trusted Stalin or shared any joint venture with Stalin except the defeat of the Nazis.

I want in UK. Labour need to implement this.

What a load of complete horseshit?

You actually believe that people who are conservatives, something like half the US, and the UK for that matter, don't care about kids?

What basis could you possibly have for such a ridiculous idea?

The overwhelming majority of people in America (and the world) know that there are only two sexes.

They know that people can't change sex.

They don't think men should be in women's prisons, sports or intimate spaces like domestic violence refuges, changing rooms and medical settings.

They are not comfortable with the irreversible damage puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and "gender-affirming surgeries" done to children and vulnerable adults.

None of this is radical or "right-wing".

It's shocking that normal, sensible, decent politicians have dropped the ball on this, and that it's left to someone as odious as Trump to step up, protect women and gain political capital as a result.

I didn't say they don't care about kids.

I am saying they don't object to transgenderism out of a concern for kids and women. They do object to it, because they want strict gender roles based on sex.

I agree and I think Trump championing this weakens our position. As we all know he could not care less about women.

Does it "weaken our position"? I think it weakens the Democrats position, they got the US into this fucking mess in the first place.

@Plastictrees who are you looking to to strengthen that position?

Which politician/s?

This is what worries me. I think there may be a backlash given that this is Trump's doing.

I haven't read any trans-exclusionary feminists on here. Lots of men-exclusionary feminists, but strong support for seeing feminist protections in place for transmen aka women. Particularly very young ones who may have been misled about the grave, long term, irreversible, physical damage that can be done by hormones or by surgery.

I just do not think that Trump is a good ally for women’s rights, considering he’s a right wing misogynist who could not care less about women. He’s a narcissist, it’s all about playing a political game to him and coming out on top.