I think the spell is finally broken...

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

I think it's a shame that it's so polarised in the US. The next time the Democrats come in they'll be changing it back and on it will go. There are a few things like that that have been going on for decades.

If someone pushes me out of the way of an oncoming bus, I don’t give a shit whether he did it out of altruism or because he wanted to impress someone else. I’m still glad he did it.

Take your fucking virtue-signalling back to the obnoxious 'psychology community' that you come from and which has helped to inflict human-rights level of abuse on vulnerable kids.

The American public is not polarised. They are supportive of sanity. The trans activism is coming from the Democrat party leadership.

Well, bully for you. And you can tend to whomsoever you wish.

Telling other people how to feel is manipulative and arrogant, in my view.

The next time the Democrats come in they'll be changing it back and on it will go.

I'd be very surprised. Trump has given the issue a massive shot of daylight, and as we've seen, the more sunlight there is, the more the general public realise what's going on, the more the support for gender ideology drops, in the US, and everywhere else.

The Morning Star is most supportive of women's rights and has a firm grip on reality.
Their eulogy on Magdalen Berns moved me to tears.
Right wing?

😂The mask always slips when posters have no intellectual arguments to support the sterilisation and bodily mutilation of the young, the insertion of sex offending men into spaces where women and girls are undressed and the removal of women's sport and language in favour of men.

You can psychoanalyse all you like - but your post hurls around allegations of "pseudo feminist Trump supporters" lacking in "cognitive capabilities" while moaning about "vitriol and aggression" in this "echo chamber"

Methinks a cup of chamomile tea and re reading your very very angry post might give you some self reflection time and generate the ability to focus a little more on the issues raised on the thread and for you to actually hear women's voices?

The reason why gender identity was so successful was because it made massive inroads by quietly lobbying and silently dismantling policy, safeguards and language in the background with institutions who were eager to signal their progressive instincts for the approval of their peers before then imposing it on their users and customers who had to suck up the real world consequences without being quite sure how it all got fucked up in the first place.

But you only get one shot at that. People at an everyday level are alert to the policy creep that preceded the madness.

You're about 10 years too late to start with the 'lets have empathy for everyone in this nuanced debate' stance.

This is the position women started at years ago and were beaten down both literally and figuratively by angry men with trans identities.

If women had been listened to, empathised with and respected going back years now we might not have ended up with a hardline stance by a hardline administration.

But women weren't listened to, offered empathy or respect so here we are.

If not nipped in the bud this was always going to end up with one group of men stepping in against another group of men. Contentious cultural issues left to fester always do boil down to tribes of men battling it out in the end. At the point transctivists crossed a line there was no going back and nothing women could do about it at that point.

Oops, wrong thread🤦🏻‍♀️
Sorry!

The reason why gender identity was so successful was because it made massive inroads by quietly lobbying and silently dismantling policy, safeguards and language in the background with institutions who were eager to signal their progressive instincts for the approval of their peers before then imposing it on their users and customers who had to suck up the real world consequences without being quite sure how it all got fucked up in the first place.

Yes.
I'd add that it was also successful because nothing about gender ideology troubles the patriarchal status quo of big businesses and government organisations. Virtue signalling to the young whilst not troubling the old boys' networks. Win win.

I’m not reading that wall of text

Apparently that won't stop you giving your unfounded assumptions and incorrect opinions though.

Look, I understand what you are saying. But you are throwing mud here that is not justified, and that is not ok.

Agree that US polarisation is a big problem. As it is here, and increasingly so as the Libdems have flagged in recent years, so we are very much a two-party 'democracy'.

I'm not sure how anyone can overcome this, other than by patient listening and avoiding superficial ad hom knee jerk responses.

I wonder how Reform will impact on this situation? They're increasingly showing strongly in polls.

Yes there was a pole that 70% agreed with rolling back 'trans rights' and re-instating women's rights. The Decmocrats will be increasingly unpopular if they continue down this path. They need to break from it and start going back to economic issues, but they are very dug in and it will take a re-birth and perhaps a second term out of office for them to accept it.

There's discussion of poll results here, about 9 minutes in.

Are you flouncing off dear.

No, actually.
It's actually quite refreshing to see it more out in the open lately.
At least people are owning it more, I suppose.

@MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance - please describe how i am right wing based on my single belief that TWare men

I have posted several times, over the years, about how i am constantly and reliably placed firmly in the "left of Marx and Engles" communist (non authoritarian) quadrant on every political test i do. (that and the fact that i have been on more anti-facist/anti-right marches in the last 6 months than in the 6 years before)

thanks in advance.

Doesn't matter how you vote, what you believe in, 'far right' and even 'rightwing' are used as tedious ad hom arguments to try and smear women on here, day in, day out.

It seems to be all they have.

But they're not, not to the far right Christian lot who are currently partying. As far as they see it, giving young people who ID as trans, drug or surgical therapies is EXACTLY in the same basket as recognising the human rights and equality of gay, lesbian and bisexual people, or not being a racist dick, or not keeping women chained up in the 1950's.

I see very little to celebrate here. A massively misogynist and plutocratic group of cronies has taken power in the most powerful country on earth and this doesn't mean good things for women and girls, any more than it means good things for Black or Brown people, or gays and lesbians, or people who id as trans. I absolutely stand against the sorts of abuses we've seen in the name of 'enabling' kids who ID as trans, or grown men who want to inveigle themselves into women's spaces - but Trump's ascendency has thrown the baby out with the bathwater. I don't understand how this is being seen as a victory. Sure, it is - if this is the one and only issue you care about. In a country where it's almost impossible to get an abortion before 6 weeks, I suspect many feminist women in the States will see it as a fairly hollow one.

In a country where it's almost impossible to get an abortion before 6 weeks...

Do you mean after 6 weeks?

Anyway, there is no "country' wide law - abortion law is at state level.

Only Florida, of the 50 states, has an outright 6 week ban, while just 3 others have a ban if there is foetal cardiac activity, which is pretty much the same thing.

Incidentally, at the same time as the Presidential and Senate elections, there were ballots to restore or expand abortion rights in 10 states - and the measures passed in 7 of them.
Including Arizona, Missouri, Nevada and Montana, which Trump won.

No, it's a certainty that he couldn't. And as a general point - not an issue taken with the post above - viewed another way we might say people are much too quick to conflate his brand of right wing politics with the key concern of today's feminists. On one point, he's arrived at a similar conclusion to that of some GC feminists, and some GC feminists will naturally say they don't care who says it as long as it's said, or that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

It's good news for women's rights. With this I agree. The fact also holds true that he's coming at this from an uber-conservative stance that hates trans, is homophobic, is misogynistic, and is bent on the very same gender stereotypes GI is relying upon. After all, where would GI be if there was nothing to transition from and to? The two things can hold true at the same time.

This presidency is also terrible news for women's rights. The news from South Carolina, which is now mooting imposing the death penalty against abortion (or anything perceived to be abortion - 1 in 3 pregnancies end in miscarriage), is a horrifying example.

It was predictable that GI would start with their everlasting 'aligning' of feminst values with those of the right wing. If they want alignment get this: GI values are Trump values in that they're both reliant on the same regressive gender stereotypes. Yet I know of no feminists who would deny women's autonomy over our bodies, who oppose abortion rights, or who would argue that women's place is in the home or our existence devoted to the servitude of men. That's the rhetoric of the right wing. Preserving women's rights has traditionally belonged in the natural domain of the left.

This tedious lack of criticality - not to mention ironic lack of recognition that the further left and right often mirror each other - can be anticipated from a country mile away. The lack of recognition is amusing, and the 'aligning' BS in the light of that lack of recognition is transparent.

Lazy 'thinking' - and I use that term generously - to the nth degree.

Many far right Christians are pro-trans because they are homophobic and also believe in innate gender. They would rather their gay son was a "girl" than a homosexual.

Concur. The abortion argument at its core is about whether A has a right to use B's body for life support and whether any right of A to B's body, or right of B to say "no", is absolute.

You can take any stance you like on that and still be 100% opposed to male violence against women, oppose sex discrimination in work, housing, and education, support affirmative action to get women into STEM, etc.