I think the spell is finally broken...

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

All of this because they are going to stop castrating children?

This is the difficult part. There are plenty of adults (who aren't sex offenders) who have transitioned a decade ago.

For example, I have a relative who transitioned from female to male, many years ago. Years of cross sex hormones, mastectomy and who knows what else. All documents changed to reflect male gender.

They present male. Full beard, etc. The executive order means they legally have to use female toilets. The risk now is getting beat up for using the toilet they legally are supposed to use.

No idea what happens regarding the passports, health insurance for hormones, etc.

There's no "third space" or solution for people who transitioned long ago.

While I'm in favour of protecting single-sex spaces and not indoctrinating children at school, I can't ignore the fact that real people will be hurt by this.

She will have to have her documents amended back to female, they should never have been changed.
And use neutral toilets.

She chose to make those outward changes that don't match her sex. She will have to explain she's a biological female.

You can't pretend to be the opposite sex and expect to never get pulled up on it or 'pass' 24/7.
And they shouldn't morally!

You can explain that to the children who were separated from their parents at ICE camps.

Isn’t this how politics is supposed to work though? You ascertain what people want or need and then you work towards delivering this via policy / legislation. It’s not really manipulation if you are being guided by what your voter base already believes is it?

Nowhere in any of that are women’s rights mentioned or protected. It is concerned with gender ideology, not women’s rights. As I said. If you think that the ‘reality’ of sex being aligned with two genders is a positive move for women, good luck to you.

They have it, but it's not driving the car any more, it's tied up and gagged in the boot. Progressivism is driving. And that comes with a prescribed set of articles of faith beliefs which cannot be deviated from and which come before ANYTHING else. I think many people didn't realise this and thought they were voting for the Labour Party of 10/20/30 years ago.

Like any extremist religion, it's impervious to things like reason, logic, compromise, debate. These things just bounce off it. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themself into.
They are very harsh to heretics and apostates. In Scientology, these are called suppressive persons because they are dangerous to the believers. This is why we so often hear that people are "unsafe" when the likes of Helen Joyce speak. Talk of safety and danger means that beliefs may be challenged.

This is why it's so shocking and such a relief, like a breath of air, when a Rosie Duffield or a Wes Streeting, even, breaks ranks and says something sensible.

@TwooMuchLabour

Which neutral toilets would those be? I spend a lot of time in the states, and I have yet to spot one.

The result is being unable to use the toilet in public places at all, which renders them inaccessible.

I agree, choices were made. But I'm not sure that this was a foreseeable outcome.

Has the scolding finished yet? Or shall I just go and pour myself another celebratory glass of wine?

I have met a number of Republican women and just like us vipers they have varied views on many issues. The ones I met were all in agreement that humans can’t change sex though and that sex matters in many instances.
The generalisations of what ‘conservatives’ think and are planning to do by some posters on this thread would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic; go and educate yourselves folx! Have you ever met a Republican?

It literally says to keep men out of women's prisons, showers, rape crisis centres and sports...

no families, no inventions, no eccentricity, no pioneers

What the absolute fuck are you on about?

Of course it deals with sex based rights! eg here, having defined sex, it says:

“Sec. 4. Privacy in Intimate Spaces. (a) The Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security shall ensure that males are not detained in women’s prisons or housed in women’s detention centers, including through amendment, as necessary, of Part 115.41 of title 28, Code of Federal Regulations and interpretation guidance regarding the Americans with Disabilities Act.”

Then she will have to pee at home.

It was her choice. These are the consequences of her actions. If she feels she has no proper place to go it's because she's done that to herself.

Not to say she doesn't have my sympathy. She does, most transmen are women who are dealing with neuro diversity or trauma but it's still a choice.

You think being in prison is a woman’s right?!

@ResisterOfTwaddleRex has posted the definitions from the order. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it's not sex, it's clear

Not being put in a prison cell with a man is a woman's right

Beingin a prison that houses ONLY women and not male rapists that put their lives in danger. Women should be safe in prison.

A thimble of empathy wouldn’t go amiss. You sound like you’re frothing at the mouth.

I think the reaction on this thread indicates a lot of people who say they are ‘gender critical’ (which I am btw) are in fact bigots. What are trans people who live as women or men supposed to actually do now? There are lines to be drawn for sure, sports, prisons. But a trans women who has lived 30 years as a woman now can’t use a public bathroom safely? Is that what you wanted? Because what I wanted was reversal of self ID and a return to the logic of actually transitioned people being accepted, albeit with caveats for safety. This order makes gender non conformity and the right for those with gender dysphoria to live safely impossible. That’s not women’s rights. It’s cruelty.

Read my other post, I have empathy as these women are often victims and have autism or poor mental health.

Why can't they use the bathroom aligned with their sex safely?

And why don't you care about biological women using the toilet safely?

Why do trans women's feelings about being validated by peeing in the womens more important than women's safety?

What criteria would you use for determining who is trans?

I admit that it's hard to feel sympathy when so little has been shown to women recently.

its fairly obvious that trans women are at a huge risk of male violence. I don’t think ‘validation’ comes into it.

And part of the Geneva Convention