I think the spell is finally broken...

[Daysnconfuddled]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

I’m not ‘expecting’ anything, so you can stop with your repetitive questions.

Trump is a reality check for all those who thought they could deny reality.

Genderism

So very very left wing with its focus on individual identity; rejection of socialist class analysis; and mission to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry.

A neo religion which champions the thoughts of post modernist academics whilst dismissing the concerns of the people whose material reality is actually affected by their luxury beliefs.

It's tough here on Mumsnet isn't it? Women are actually allowed to discuss shit and form their own opinions! So much easier to misogynist IRL or on other online platforms.

I think that is too black and white. There is a spectrum of opinion on this. There are progressive conservatives like Daniel Finkelstein, who is very sympathetic in many ways to trans rights. I think liberal conservatives would be very minded to let people live their lives sexually as they want to, if it doesn't impinge on other people's rights. And there is a spectrum of opinion on the left as well.

That's rich, coming from someone who walks around with a blindfold on and refused to look at what these conservatives have already done and what they are outright saying they will do. Each day brings evidence of their past actions and their agenda and you refuse to see it, while accusing me of ignoring the evidence.

@MrsOvertonsWindow I'm hoping it's just enraged howling. I'm sure the new government will be expecting and prepared for any litigation.

I might try to find the programme when I am home

If I feel strong enough!

I’m not ‘expecting’ anything, so you can stop with your repetitive questions.

What's with the aggro?

It's just a question. You clearly don't want Trump to do this and state you want to move forward. So is there anyone you think will do it

Clearly not given your response. That's the problem for women and waiting

There's no one else ready to change the situation and waiting doesn't help does it?

‘Two genders’ is not the same as two sexes, and in fact is a really worrying statement because it suggests that concepts of sex are secondary to understandings of gender performance which will compel women into traditionally feminine roles and erode our rights. The reversal of Roe vs Wade tells you everything you need to know about what this president put in place during his last administration and how far women’s rights were anywhere in those concerns. Remember Brett Kavanaugh‘s crocodile tears? There’s no way this is a progressive order, from which women will be protected. Don’t be ridiculous, these people do not care about women.

I find this absolutely sickening. Just a helpless feeling that it opens the door to persecution, bullying and suicides. It’s controlling, it’s backward, it smacks of creationism, book banning and hate. I’ve a helpless feeling that it’s just the start of playing out conspiracy theory driven agenda and with the media tied in as well it might be unstoppable. Happy Tuesday everyone!

‘Two genders’ is not the same as two sexes

Good job the EO is clear on this then

It's funny how we told that all these conservatives don't really want to kick gender ideology out of schools and their kids' lives, it's something else, it's due to a much more nefarious agenda.

But when KJK was over in the states talking to all these conservative people who want to kick gender ideology out of schools and their kids' lives, that was also wrong and due to her much more nefarious agenda.

But what's really weird is everybody knows it's a completely bat shit ideology, and almost everyone wants to kick it out of schools and their kids' lives.

No one wants it, but if you say so, there's something wrong with you.

Yes. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out given the extent of harm that's happening to young people - especially young women - in the US. But the men running the organisations / health services etc have been given uncritical power for many years and removing them will be a challenge.
Which is why it's so refreshing to see Trump address the issue of the harm to children and the young so openly. We're so used to having to tip toe around apologetically as we try to insist on children's safety. Long overdue for that to change.

I doubt he cares one way or the other about trans people. He cares about winning.

He's doing it because he said he would, and he said he would because it meant he could score easy points against the Democrats and because it's what his support base want and they will laud and celebrate him for it.

The man you see saying these things and caring about them is not Trump himself, it's the persona he created to appeal to the voters who started to support him and has evolved over time in response to their priorities and the message they want to hear. He is just doing this because it is what his character would do. And that's more terrifying than if he actually cared and believed this stuff because there is no limit, no moral framework that can come from inside, he will just keep on fulfilling the demand.

I'm not entirely sure there even is a real Trump in there as a fully formed personality, just a screaming aching black hole of pain and shame driving him to cling to anyone who shows him approval and to attack pitilessly anyone who shows him less than total respect.

Not RTFT, so apologies if this was answered already, but the EO was written by May Mailman.

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1881715930629370209

More on her:

https://www.iwf.org/people/may-mailman-2/

She represented the sorority who tried to have the man removed from their house:

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1881715930629370209

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

I keep reading this ❤️

This is the most ridiculous and patronising thing I've read today. And I've been on X!

It doesn’t help having a racist, misogynistic troglodyte pseudo champion the cause either - that is my point, so find someone else to attempt to argue with.

But isn't that's what a politician should be doing - what the people who voted for him want?

so find someone else to attempt to argue with.

It's not even an 'argument' it was a question. Well until you upped the ante for whatever reason.

You've said what you have about Trump but since no one can answer a simple question on who else then yeh it's a problem.

Fair one. I see your point.

Which version of Gender Critical Feminism do you disagree with?

Is it the TRA version that can be found on Wikipedia:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-critical_feminism?

Or is it actual Gender Critical Feminism:

hollylawford-smith.org/what-is-gender-critical-feminism-and-why-is-everyone-so-mad-about-it/?

I’ve read the order. It’s about gender ideology, not sex based rights.

I don't agree that abortion is a fundamental right of women. Access to necessary abortion is possibly a right. Access to abortion for medical reasons (not including ectopic pregnancy which is not an abortion but a surgical procedure) is a right.
Apart from that, yes abortion could be (as it was) a right at Federal level. And go on spell out what you mean because you are positing a raft of ideas which are not associated with either the TikTok ban or the removal of gender ideology from being funded and supported at a Federal level.
To spell it out, gender ideology has nothing to do with LGB rights at all being completely different and not grounded in anything other than unprovable feelings in someone's head (which can change every day, apparently, depending on whether the wind is in the west or not...)

He's not doing this because he "hates trans people".
He's doing this because if left to continue, queer theory and trans will destroy society as we knew it just a few years ago. There would be no families, no inventions, no eccentricity, no pioneers - just boring conformity to 1950s stereotypes, medicalisation, surgery and sterility.
Trans = conforming to shit we left way back.

This doesn’t deal with sex based rights?

“Sec. 2. Policy and Definitions. It is the policy of the United States to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality. Under my direction, the Executive Branch will enforce all sex-protective laws to promote this reality, and the following definitions shall govern all Executive interpretation of and application of Federal law and administration policy:
(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”
(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.
(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.
(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.
(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.
(f) “Gender ideology” replaces the biological category of sex with an ever-shifting concept of self-assessed gender identity, permitting the false claim that males can identify as and thus become women and vice versa, and requiring all institutions of society to regard this false claim as true. Gender ideology includes the idea that there is a vast spectrum of genders that are disconnected from one’s sex. Gender ideology is internally inconsistent, in that it diminishes sex as an identifiable or useful category but nevertheless maintains that it is possible for a person to be born in the wrong sexed body.
(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.”