Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

I do think you are engaging in a massive dose of hyperbole. That everything has become so extreme and so black and white, is in large part because radical leftism is so authoritarian, so censorious and so thoroughly morally self righteous. This is the context in which Trump was elected.

Let them, then. Costa and Starbucks are thoroughly bland products that have had their day. There are plenty of smaller and more independent coffee shops and chains now

No wonder Ellen fled to here.

america embracing its puritanical, persecuting, repressive roots.

It's gone right back to full bigot.

Remember homosexuality only became legal nationwide there in 2003 (via federal law). In 6 of the backward red states it's still illegal (sodomy laws remain in the books).

The new regime are also removing teaching about race (florida governor bloke has already banned it). So the whitewashing is now accelerating. Ignorance is the goal, keep the populous ignorant about the evisceration and dehumanisation of the Natives, and the enslavement of Africans (45 million descendants of whom are on that land today) with the elite planter class, the "founders", jefferson, washington and co. owning human beings to work the land they had stolen from the "savages".

And having had a white only immigration policy (one of their many race based laws) prior to 1965, the white settler state is now reverting back to something akin to that too.

It's a sad day for humanity.

To be honest, that Trump is so unpredictable is one of the reasons there has been progress, of sorts, on a ceasefire in the Middle East, and likewise many other countries are going to have to be wary in their proceeedings.

Trump did not arise in a vacuum....as across Europe ( and Canada) populations have had enough of censoriousmess and highly ideological positioning on everything from how to approach climate change... to the notion that males can become females.....to the idolisation of open borders and 'fluid' everything.

His election represents a kind of re-set.

america embracing its puritanical, persecuting, repressive roots.

The reason Trump won is because the Left in America has zero insight into how they are also puritanical, persecuting and repressive.

They are puritanical on the idea that TWAW.

They persecute anyone who doesn’t agree.

They are repressive in believing that gay children being turned straight by transition is a good thing.

They suppress free speech. They censor discussion. They fire people who don’t agree. They are currently the leaders in antisemitism.

So if you’re a centrist voter and see this, why would you vote for them?

What you are failing to see, through all of the frothing, is that global patterns are shifting and aligning in new ways.....Trump, Musk and all the others are merely actors playing their part.

I was radicalised by MN - before then I was in the “be kind” camp.

Is there a T-shirt, do you think?

We had all this catastrophising 8 years ago. All the hyperbole and shrieking about trans genocide doesn't work anymore.

A Reset to what?

the ceasefire in the Middle East is just that, a ceasefire. It’s not a permanent peace deal or two state solution, it’s just gone back to being a frozen conflict and the hurt caused in the recent outbreak of violence will feed the ongoing cycle of violence and revenge on both sides. It will flare up again it’s not a question of if just when.

do you think it’s a good thing that Europe can no longer rely on the US as an alley but has to begin fearing it’s unpredictably on all fronts from forceful incursion into their territory to trade wars?

the elite got too far removed from the mainstream populations and lost touch with them I agree to that. Trump played into that mess, cleverly.

but he does not represent progress. He represents a reactionary move and feeding into wet dreams of the 50ies. Delicious racism, stereotypical gender roles, protectionism, a manufacturing nation etc.

To be honest, it is over the top ranting and moral positioning that is turning people off. Can you not read the room? There is a bigger picture than the one you are painting. You seem to think that it is only you that can see the 'truth'.

We're not stupid.....we come from all walks of life...have been politically engaged for all of our adult lives in many instances...you jumping up and down doesn't convince anyone of anything.

In his typical way the point he's trying to make is that China is quietly going around the world and buying up, and developing its own, resources - to further its own ends and needs, and that the U.S.A needs to be vigilant about that, especially on its doorstep. Russia, China (and Iran) are busy gaining traction, influence and power throughout the world...especially when it comes to key infrastructure and natural resources.

It was Iran that recently bailed out South Africa ( most likely using some of that money Obama gave them) as it was on the point of being a collapsed and failed state. This is one of the reasons that South Africa took out its actions against Israel, recently. There is a bigger picture of global re-alignments and strategic power play that the U.S ( and the West more generally) needs to be concerned with.

In the 1970s, David Bowie came out as bi, and while it did him no harm here (or Europe), in "puritanical america, it stood in the way of so much I wanted to do".

In the 1980s, they threw razor blades at the moustachioed Freddie Mercury to get him to shave it off as they didnt want a gay rock star. And having chased him (and Queen) out of the backward white setter state a few years later its music channel, MTV (a channel which also didn't play black artists until David Bowie publicly brought them up on it) banned "I want to break free", a song and video celebrated in the non bigoted, backward parts of the world.

This regressive white settler entity has now gone full circle and embraced its bigoted, backward history, and my thoughts are with all those who will now suffer under this regime.

You do realize your point of view is the mainstream, don’t you?

Yes, we do. Well done for not pretending that it's somehow unusual. Progress there.

@leftorrightnow you’re demonstrating the strategy perfectly.

It’s not acceptable to notice there is one good true fact in among all the posturing and propaganda.
It’s not enough to prostrate yourself at the altar of the left.
It’s not enough to say we are entering a scary era and Trump is a rogue element that has potential to destabilise the world.
It’s not enough to be horrified that a convicted criminal is now president of the USA.
It’s not enough to agree with you on 99%.

Only full compliance is enough. Only repeating mantras is enough. Only total capitulation is enough.
Don’t you be noticing that up is up and down is down, that there are two biological sexes and that bears shit in the woods. Shh! 🤐 Stop you heretic! People like you are the reason we are all going to hell in a handcart! Repent!!

And they then went on to say sex was unimportant and should be trumped by gender. Well it can't. Biological sex and the particular biological traits that makes women vulnerable in certain circumstances are not unimportant. In the US, girls have been stripped of sporting awards, meaning in some cases they have been stripped of scholarships and potentially denied an education because a man who could not win a race against men decided they were women, with the handy $30k a year tuition fees paid.
The Left need to give this up, in the US and here. Vance will be President in 2029 unless they can concentrate on issues that matter instead of pandering to identitarian loudmouths to the detriment of women and children.

We'll have to see.......as I suggested alignments are shifting and everything is on the line. Trump's very existence serves is a disruptive influence...but he's not the only one. Disruption shakes things up, breaks apart old patterns, creates uncertainty....History is full of shifts and turns. Even the idea of 'progress'...the idea that we are moving in a linear path towards an imagined utopia is highly questionable. History is a story of actions, reactions, responses, adjustments, re-alignments........

Like hitler was a disruption?

@myplace you are getting lost in a minor detail and missing the full picture. Trumps insistence on two sexes isn’t a one off good thing about him. It’s part and parcel of his desire to roll back women’s rights.

Europe and each individual nation within it has its own narrative history, and each has their own issues. The glue of European unity is wearing thin ,and the relationship with the U.S is not the be all and end all.

As it happens, I think Trump's bluster is more over-blown than his actual conduct when in office. But his unpredictability serves to keep everyone on their toes.

But under the left actual women were losing out. Ok they may have been getting rights protected but all those rights were going to the other type of women - the non biological ones. Heads I win, tails you lose.

I don’t give a shit. I know. I understand. I get it. Honestly I do. He knows what a woman is because he likes owning, groping and abusing them.

A lucky byproduct is that he’s going to clarify in law who is who and will try to stop children getting mutilated. That’s still a good thing.

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People voted for Hitler. Trump’s insistence on two sexes is an easy win for him to look like the rational one but he doesn’t give a shit about women.

Also agree that history repeats itself and we are very clearly not progressing towards utopia. At the moment, it feels the opposite. That these are dark and dangerous times with fascism and authoritarianism on the rise now aided and abetted by advanced technology and weaponry.

I do think the first step to regaining women's rights is to define women. Trump is doing that. Without that step then you can't actually fight for rights.

At the same time as the Presidential and Senate elections, there were ballots to restore or expand abortion rights in 10 states - and the measures passed in 7 of them.

Including Arizona, Missouri, Nevada and Montana, which Trump won.

It’s not that we only care about that minor detail. It’s that we are pleased to see that minor detail. I mean, it’s a minor detail that should prevent women getting raped by male inmates in a women’s jail. Stop men exposing themselves to captive women in changing rooms and stealing their rewards. You know. That kind of minor detail. It’s a teeny bit of blue sky in an otherwise terrifying storm.