Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

I'm just looking forward to the TRA meltdown tbh. Schadenfreude ( sp? ) is gonna be sweet!😂

Yes, I am sure that is probably part of it.

But I can't say I see Twitter as some hotbed of pro-Musk viewpoints. It's all over the place.

This is the actual order -
"(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell."
I think it's incredibly well written, very comprehensive.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

I see to remember another country (one that most on this forum are citizens of) who thought they had the right to say that they should "reclaim" a canal they only had tenuous links to ie having money to develop it, but not any claim on the land it was built through.

I think it led to something called the Suez crisis.

The bonkers idea that any country can "take back" something that was never theirs other than as commercial exploiters in someone else country, is just the sort of nonsense that possibly only Americans can say with a straight face.

Most in the UK have learnt that having been a colonial power, commercial exploiter of other countries, does not give you any rights in the current day.

Or if it still does then on this basis the UK could say we will take back Israel as we never "gave it" to Jewish people to carry out an expantionist agenda.

I suppose there is one aspect of having Trump in power that can make us Brits smug. In many ways we have learnt some humility from our colonalist past. (Not forgetting that Indian sub continent was first colonised not by the British Government but by a British Trading Company.)

But Trump as a business man has no notion of principle or abiding by the law. Just like the East India Company.

In fact its surprising he hasn't abolish both Houses and just set up a Global Trading Company called USA inc.

Thanks for posting the link @guaranteedpersonality

If I remember correctly, there was an interview with the campaigning group who persuaded Trump to run the ads on genderism during his election campaign (and convinced him of the importance of the issue) and the article discussed how precisely this group wanted any future EO or legislation to be specific to defend biological reality of two sexes. It's on one of the older FWR Trump wins the election threads if anyone fancies reading it.

I came here to say this. He is correct (words I never thought I would say).

You’re so right about the Panama Canal.

however it’s a widely held misconception that Trump is a businessman. He was never successful as a businessman and his ideas for improving the US economy are dumb.

he’s a media personality, first and foremost. He played a successfil business man on tv. He never was one. He is created by the media first and foremost and he was put in the White House by the media and Elon’s Twitter takeover

thats why he says such wildly disjointed even sometimes self contradictory stuf.

it doesn’t matter if it makes sense. As long as it gives him attention.

just like his statement on gender yesterday.

he’s wildly successful with this strategy.

instead of talking about how mad his ideas are and how corrupt he is, we’re all talking about ONE sentence on a hotly debated issue in the media - gender diversity.

Well given the American prominence in the world, citizens of other countries aren’t free to ignore Trump. Yes we have very limited influence ok US politics but we can watch Trump-like developments in our own countries instigated partly like Elon and likeminded.

the democrats got it wrong. Biden should’ve stepped down long ago and let Harris takeover and then position some younger macho man for the presidential bid, someone who had a real chance of beating Trump. Sadly, believing that a coloured woman with just a few months to run her campaign could beat Trump was beyond naive.

Came on here to post this. Very well written.

BEAUTIFUL

Trump isn’t only supported by x/musk. He’s supported by Fox, every Murdoch owned new outlet and the other right wing press.

You do realize your point of view is the mainstream, don’t you? Stop acting as if you’re the repressed minority when it’s the other way around and one of the most successful demagogues in modern history just used your cause as part of his campaign for power.

<yawn>

@Boiledbeetle how do you do your nifty pics? They are stunning!

A great argument, of course, in political debate ; )

I for one am very aware the left got it wrong. That doesn’t mean I don’t wish they were in power instead of an unstable power hungry demagogue who will stop at nothing to keep his power.

I’ll say it again that people don’t understand how mad this man is, if they did, truly, they wouldn’t be spending time buying into his attempts to divide and rule his enemies. Look at this. With this one sentence he’s convinced a group of British women who consider themselves feminists to praise him.

Bleeding Nora it’s like Groundhog Day!

no one is praising trump the man or thinks he’s in any way a great idea or A Good Thing

what people are praising is this one single action that he’s taken

"they didn't come for me" yet so we celebrate with fireworks!

The gender ideologues already came for women.

The concept of “2 spirit people (men)” is literal homophobia - it was a category invented for gay men who were not allowed to just be men in the culture. I can’t think of an example of this sort of “third gender” category in indigenous people that is t rooted in homophobia but perhaps you can?

Clarity and precision are important, though, as we have discovered in Britain when it comes down to definitions of 'sex' in the equality act. Clarity makes for good, workable law.

I don't know how Beetle does it, but if you enjoy them you should pop over to The Bluestocking.

"You do realize your point of view is the mainstream, don’t you? Stop acting as if you’re the repressed minority when it’s the other way around and one of the most successful demagogues in modern history just used your cause as part of his campaign for power."

@leftorrightnow I mean... Are you sure you're in the right place?

I have no problem with gender being used as a synonym for sex, that's how many use it.

If people want a word for some identity they should use new words. Using man woman male female for the opposite sex is designed to confuse.