Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

I suspect this will also be beneficial to trans gender prople. It stops the perverts and abusers piggybacking on their issues. About 0.1% of people at most have gender dysphoria. The percentage of men who are convicted and suspected of sexual assault, added to those who are just common or garden love getting off on the discomfort of women is far, far higher. The idea that giving free access to any man who says he is a woman will not mean that a large proportion of the second group will take advantage of this to access changing rooms, rape crisis centres etc is laughable. They hardly care about women or respect their dignity. If the rules were tightened up and 3rd spaces provided, then the men who fancy intimidating women by getting their dick out in front of them or forcing themsrlves on lesbians, and getting away with it because they can accuse their victims of transphobia will, I would imagine, decide they are not women after all. As the vast majority of trans male prisoners decide once they are out of jail. That in itself will mean trans people are ' Left alone' by women and by trans activists.

What’s so weird to me is your preoccupation with this small minority. Why can’t you leave them alone? Oh I know the answers will be they are coming for us! To rape us and molest our kids because I read in the Daily Mail at least two people did that. This is a conversation going in circles.

When women said we don't give our consent why didn't you listen?

None of this is new, men kept pushing, using threats and insult to override a simple ask for privacy, dignity and safety.

Why do you think it's important to override those things for women too?

What’s so weird to me is your preoccupation with this small minority. Why can’t you leave them alone?

”Small minority” is a popular TRA talking point at the moment, but it’s a silly one. It only takes one male in a female space to make it mixed sex.

All of the swimmers Lia Thomas changed with were exposed to his male penis and male gaze. Their erstwhile safe female changing space became an awkward mixed sex one.

The knot is entirely of your construction. Gender identity is entirely predicated on stereotypes and performances ( 'the performance of gender') Biological sex just is, and one cannot change sex by changing one's attire, or by the power of magical thinking. The idea that you can is both reductive and regressive

An interesting take on the legacy of the Obama and Biden years - by Mary Harrington:

https://unherd.com/2025/01/donald-trump-is-the-end-of-hilarity/

The standard of argument is starting to deteriorate. I guess it's been a long day.

Yes. Genderism is a three-legged stool. The legs are enforcement of sex-role stereotypes, homophobia, and misogyny.

Trans Rights Advocates must own that shit, because they made it.

Explain how you ' dress up as women' and you will see that it is reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. I was off work on Monday so I didn't wear makeup, and had on jeans and a hoodie. I was still a woman. I can't ' dress like a woman' because whatever I dress in, I just am a woman. How do men know they want to ' be' women? They have no idea what it is like to be a woman. Their perception of what it is to be a woman is entirely based on gender stereotypes. I know I am not a man purely based on my biology. Eddie Izzard wants to be a woman sometimes, but not when it comes to taking lower pay or fewer decent acting roles. Then he's a man.

The 'trans issue' was a part of the devotion to post modernist identity politics - of the sort you were clearly schooled in. Where everything is about oppression and marginalisation and the seeking of some kind of non existent 'equality' which can only be attained by the policies of DEI.

Have you ever come across Peter Boghassian? He used to be a professor of Philosophy at Portland State university. He devised a method called' 'street epistemology' to unpack and uncover the roots of people's thinking - and to test out the logic of that thinking. He conducted such experiments on the campus of the university. His sessions are worth a watch:

Boghossian has criticized universities for limiting free speech and favoring certain ideologies.He has said that universities should allow people to think freely and explore ideas. He has said that universities should teach people to value reason, evidence, and belief revision

Craziness to care about marginalized groups and continue to draw attention to inequality
What marginalised groups though? How do you draw attention to marginalised groups? Go on marches? Throw soup at paintings? Blockade University buildings? Well newsflash. If Daddy doesn't have contacts in banking, the media etc and can't get your foot in the door by chatting to some mates of theirs, then you need to speak to Barclays, BAE systems, the BBC and Aviva at University Careers fairs. Palestine isn't going to be your problem when you leave university thousands of £ in debt because you thought you could break into a decent career even though your parents aren't already in the industry and dont have contacts. Guess what, closing down a free gallery and defacing art when you can't fly to Florence on a whim isn't helping the poor and marginalised either. Neither is blockading campuses so students can't go to lectures. It's not good enough to perform to your mates and then pretend you've done your bit for the marginalised. The ' marginalised' can see through it, no matter how intelligent you tell them you are.

It was never particularly high to start. It's sort of a minor miracle that it can always find room to go lower.

I'm really heartened that MNers clearly aren't buying any of this bulls**t. There's no vibe of fear of Trump even though he's so unpredictable, or depression Trump is now in office. Just women proudly and loudly defending their rights. Clearly no wheeshting going on at all :)

Eh? I was talking about transpeople as a marginalized group

Oh sweet Jesus. No vibe of fear of Trump. Yes, that’s indeed the ultimate proof of the blinkered ignorance in this group

The importance you attach to the trans issue shows a lack of perspective. It’s completely out if proportion to it’s significance in the real world.

however there are some people who benefit from this preoccupation with trans issues. And that’s the entire reactionary right wing, with all its other traditional values of unequal gender roles, nationalism, climate denying (drill, baby drill and let’s leave the Paris climate accord) and geopolitical competition. If you’re comfortable supporting those tendencies in society you’re on the right track. This is a values/culture war and yes, sadly, you have to choose sides. We’re seeing a global trend of isolationism and reactionary values, it’s now coming from both US, Russia (another trans hating country) and China. Only Europe is left in defence of liberal progressive values, and sadly, forces within our societies, aided by foreign interference (Elon, Putin) is also dividing our societies from within. There’s no natu law that history always moves forward and right now, seems a lot of people would like to see it move backwards so they can reclaim their privileges lost through too much “imagined”. (Yes that’s where you really outed your classist supremacist views) equality.

That’s the problem, you miss that women are thinking about their own sex and those rights

It’s not about ‘trans’. People who present as however they wish are part of their sex class and we’re fine with that.

You can disagree and even despise someone like Trump without losing your shit and getting all in an overwhelming emotional tizz where you can't function properly. They like to call it TDS.
SOME adults can be quite good at realising when their emotions are starting to get out of hand, and backing off, staying calm. The MNers here have faced so much idiocy they are getting very resilliant, and that's a good thing.
If it helps you understand better. I was happy that the MNers here weren't in an emotional flapping around like headless chickens state of fear as opposed to being concerned and alert to potential danger but calm. Unless you want women afraid??

I do get it. Trump is good news for white women whose only cause is feminism and who do not care about the rights of other groups such as trans, lgbt, people of colour, poor people or indeed the climate or human rights of peoples in other countries.

I am fascinated by your capacity to invent stereotypes that have no connection to real life.

The importance you attach to the trans issue shows a lack of perspective. It’s completely out if proportion to it’s (sic) significance in the real world

I disagree. In the “real world” there are two sexes. Pretending people can change sex and that men can become women impacts all women. That’s very much a “real world” problem.

The Democrats fucked up with this, didn't they? By calling biological reality “right wing” they alienated core voters and made themselves unelectable.

I don’t think I’m flipping around like a headless chicken. I’m worried, even slightly afraid, yes, of Trump. Even world leaders are. If you’re facing a threat, it’s normal to be afraid. Not being afraid shows you don’t understand the dangers. Me writing slightly emotional posts on MN doesn’t mean I’m running around in my own real life screaming and shoring and acting impulsively.

If you’re facing a threat, it’s normal to be afraid

This is how women feel when men enter their private female spaces. Even before something has actually happened, just like you with Trump.

No this is unrelated to what I said.

The importance you attach to the trans issue shows a lack of perspective.

This isn’t true, we don’t attach importance to the ‘trans issue’ as it’s the incorrect framing of our sex based rights.

You appear to me to be totally at the mercy of your out of control emotions.
You are in such a tizz you seem unable even hear the other side.

If you’re facing a threat, it’s normal to be afraid.

Like the 1487 males in women’s federal prisons in the US being a threat to the women they’re locked up with, who are afraid.

Trump’s executive order will put an immediate end to this. Do you oppose this?

What is 'completely out of proportion' is the amount of power trans rights activists have had to make serious changes to many aspects of life, in ways that have disadvantaged women, trans rights are in competition with women's rights - the very name, and membership of the social class 'women' has been appropriated over our heads by this 'insignificant' group.

I'm going to post this again, it might stop the going-around-in-circles-ness of this discussion, caused mostly by you ignoring posts that do not support your idea that everybody here thinks Trump is wonderful. We don't. I for one despise him.

The 'It's just a small number' line is also significant because it highlights the downright weirdness of how such a tiny number of people can have so much power in society that the law, education, medicine, language, etc etc have been changed at their behest.
How many disabled people are there in the UK? How long have they been campaigning for change? What changes in the law, education, medicine, language etc have they got in comparison?
Ironically, one of the few significant things disabled people managed to achieve was adapted/accessible/Disabled toilets - which are now sometimes used, either officially or unofficially, as 'neutral third spaces' for able-bodied transwomen who don't want to use the men's toilet. So even that hard-won achievement isn't safe from appropriation.
If the small but amongst-the-most-persecuted minority didn't wield such disproportionate power in society, I'm sure we'd be delighted to ignore them completely.