Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

You are making your own answers up on your preconcieved ideas of what the women in here think.

You know most of us just don't want men in women's spaces? However those men think of themselves? No more no less.

I don't want transpeople not to exist,

I don't think they should be subject to discrimination at work, in housing, access to healthcare etc etc based on their trans status.

Most of us probably have a relative, friend or neighbour who is trans that we get along absolutely fine with. And very few of us are actually transphobic.

Most of us, like me, just don't think it's right that some men can access women's spaces, quotas, prisons etc just because of a feeling in their head that they claim makes them a woman.

My fear of a transman raping me is non existent.

My fear of a transwoman raping me is identical to my fear of a man raping me. Do you know why that is? Because they are men. Not because they are trans.

Transmen and transwomen fiddle with kids at roughly the same percentages as those men and women who don't think they are in the wrong body.

The preoccupation about a small minority is not 'because trans' but because transwomen are men hustling in on things that they have no right to. For example: They want to use the loo? they can use a unisex one or the men's but I'd like them, because they are men, to stay the fuck out the womens.

No amount of evidence of Trumps very real harm to workmen’s rights and all that will now come (...) isn’t smart if you want to promote workman rights.
😱😱😱

Has anyone come up with a good definition of transphobe/ia yet? One that can stand up in a legal setting, or is it still one of those shouty slurs.

Have you reported Transphobia to mumsnet?

They don't tolerate it.

What women on here are standing up for women's rights , in the wake of the damage that trans identifying males have actually done.

You're a TRA . The knots you tie yourself in to defend the rights of men to appropirate women's rights is astonishing.

I’ve responded to all the posts and explained again and again how cheerleading a misogynist just because he’s also a transphope like you

Oh dear. You’ve explained things again and again and no one is agreeing with you?!😀

You underestimate how women - the real ones - recoil at having to call men women. And have them enter their spaces, sports. How men have appropriated the very words that women use like “mother” and how women have been reduced to their functions and anatomy - “cervix havers”, “people who menstruate”.

You are frothing about how Trump recognising that there are two sexes is a gateway into chaining up women to the kitchen sink but failing to acknowledge that trans ideology is deeply misogynistic, based as it is on regressive gender stereotypes.

“Woman” has been reduced to clothes (and quite particular ones at that, though I won’t specify which as I have had posts removed before) and women themselves have been described as their body parts and reproductive functions.

Democratic women don’t like this either, polls have and continue to show this. It’s very stupid of Democratic strategists to push the trans agenda, but here we are 🤷‍♀️

I apologise if this has been posted already. I have not read all of the thread yet.

https://x.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1881715930629370209

"The executive order restoring women's rights was written by @MayMailman
, former Director of Independent Women's Law Center, now Deputy Assistant to the President."

I checked and if anyone remembers her name, it is because she was involved in the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority case.

That makes sense. It was clearly written by someone who understands the dangers of gender ideology.

was that sorority case the one where that absolute tank of a young man, Artemis, refused to leave an all-woman sorority even though some of the women said he would stare at them when they were getting changed and they didn’t want him there?

was that sorority case the one where that absolute tank of a young man, Artemis, refused to leave an all-woman sorority even though some of the women said he would stare at them when they were getting changed and they didn’t want him there?

That's the one.

That seems like a non-sequiter?

China buying up land and businesses all over the world, and critical infrastructure, is something we should all be worried about.

I'm sorry if some people feel embarrassed that this kind of concern seems colonialist, but the Chinese are absolutely not embarrassed to engage in long term strategic plans through their international business dealings.

I'm actually a bit shocked anyone thinks that's it's just nice business dealings we shouldn't bother about.

It's completely untrue that Florida has banned talking about race or the history of race in America.

Like, 100% bs.

And most of us here follow politics closely enough to know it's bs.

It does nothing to make you credible to repeat this kind of stuff, at best it makes it look like you can't tell the difference between what has happened and spin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64815035

It could be an example of 'negative feedback farming' (coined by a Mumsnetter).

Which is posting comments designed to get negative feedback either for attention seeking reasons, or to goad people into breaking rules.

Because one thing's for sure, the incoherence and constant pivoting makes it all very pointless.

I think the real underlying issue with this kind of question is that it was always an unsupported medical practice, and in fact medical malpractice.

As much as it will cause complications, carrying on with this kind of treatment, which is really medical abuse, needs to stop.

There will be people who need various kinds of ongoing care, just like people who were lobotomized needed ongoing care, because there was irreparable damage. Dealing with that is legitimate medical care. It will look different for different people.

Detransition isn't that uncommon among transmen, sometimes after many years and including full hysterectomy, so there is some experience of how to deal with that in the medical community. i know some do take estrogen, but I don't think all do. I would think there would be some really significant health benefits to doing so however.

This is quite a terrible article, not really bothering to look at what the rules even say. However, even taken at face value it's not saying that schools can't teach about race.

These laws specifically target critical race theory approaches as being inappropriate for kids, particularly where they use concepts like "whiteness" in a negative way. Or teach children that they bear guilt for things that happen in the past.

They also say that schools have to allow parents access to what is taught.

This is in no way banning teaching about race.

Why can’t you leave them alone?

Women do/did leave them alone.

But they did not leave women alone.

They took away our right to privacy; right to same sex space; right to same sex games; right to language; right to same sex medical care even after rape; bright to be a sex class and not a feeling, and on and on and on.

Did you miss all of that?

There are the most powerful minority in the world; it used to be white South Africans.

The whole world system of binary sex has been changed for them.

It took women 1,000s of year to get rights; this crew came along and took them away in a decade.

They are very powerful and ruthless people.

The promise of the left, that "We will defend your access to reproductive freedoms if you let us decide which of your boundaries are legitimate" possibly did lose the Democrats this most recent election.
Obviously it's more dramatic when voters swing from one party to the other (which seems to have happened for up to 3% of voters in swing states in response to the "Kamala is for they/them" campaign).
But the Democrats banked on Harris being female leading to a mobilisation of female registered Democrats, to get out and vote on the day. This didn't happen in numbers expected.
What is your explanation for why so many female voters, who are registered Democrats and voted (for Biden, obs) in the last election, didn't get out and vote for Harris this time?
I find your post above horrifying, it really leaves me with bile in my mouth.
That you would make fun of women who want to protect themselves and their children from sexual abuse, as if worrying about this stuff is some kind of titillation for us. It's sick. And as other posters have said, again and again, how many is too many? How many women being raped in prison, when they have been LOCKED IN A CELL WITH A MALE PERSON is too many for you?

But it doesn't even have to be about a desire not to be raped (silly woman!! who worries about such silly tabloidy things!). It's about saying, "no." I'm not comfortable sharing a changing room with a male person. That's my boundary. You think that's illegitimate. Trump's team don't. I think it's crazy that we're in this mixed up situation but there it is.
You keep promising women, "We'll protect your reproductive freedoms if you let us decide which of your boundaries are legitimate," and I believe you'll keep losing elections.

This thread is also morbidly fascinating, to see self-identified left wingers describing free trade as a very good thing, and the reintroduction of manufacturing in the USA as a very bad thing.
I wonder if Vance's plans to increase the federal minimum wage will be reframed as a facist plot to reward the bigoted, backwards working poor for being so bigoted and backwards?

Is Trump making women's safe spaces single sex? I haven't read the full thread.

That you would make fun of women who want to protect themselves and their children from sexual abuse, as if worrying about this stuff is some kind of titillation for us. It's sick

This.

And I’ve decided that many of the TiMs in female spaces seem to be the very types of men who shouldn’t be anywhere near them. Women and their spaces are props

How does one discuss race but not critical race theory? Especially in the US?

Discuss race but not racism?

Do you think racism doesn't exist? And that discussing it means white people are harmed?

Critical race theory is just one way of analysing racism. We talked about racism for years before it came along. Don't conflate.

We should be able to discuss racism, of course.

In response to the reasonable fears expressed upthread about the risks associated with withdrawal from hormone therapy if 'gender affirming' hormone treatments stop being supported by health insurance. I am sure insurance will support treatment and management of the withdrawal process. How that works is no doubt being worked out right now. But people will not be left without treatments necessary for physical health.

But much more importantly

People will be safer if their SEX is recorded correctly on their medical records.

Transmen (women presenting as men) are at particular risk of cardiovascular problems in emergency situations because the symptoms and the treatment protocols are different for women (including transmen) - because men are at higher risk generally, emergency response tends to follow the male protocols. Hospitals need to know immediately if they have a female patient.

Lying about sex risks women's lives - including transmen's lives.