Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

"I'm female, but I identify as a trans man". I don't think it's too difficult.

Sorry if it's been asked, but does this executive order mean males who are currently held in women's prisons across the US will be moved, whether that's to some sort of new transwomen unit or men's prisons? Or does it mean that no more males will be placed in women's prisons? Or does it not necessarily mean either of those?

"Sec. 4. Privacy in Intimate Spaces. (a) The Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security shall ensure that males are not detained in women’s prisons or housed in women’s detention centers, including through amendment, as necessary, of Part 115.41 of title 28, Code of Federal Regulations and interpretation guidance regarding the Americans with Disabilities Act."

I'd assume this means existing prisoners in the federal prison estate.

In terms of what this means for existing men and women who claim trans identities, or who have transitioned, in most cases they are victims of a medical and social scandal and, for most of them, I feel genuine pity.

It makes no sense to continue their delusion, but any unravelling of this terrible situation must involve councelling to help trans-identifying people come to terms with their victimhood and allow them to come to terms with a life as their correct sex. Much in the same way we council other people who have found themselves part of extremist ideoligical programming.

Funding for this should come from a comprehensive legal reckoning for all medical staff, charities, social workers, teachers, who should be sued for malpractice and failure in their duty of care.

How is cos playing and performing a 'gender identity' not also reinforcing sex roles and stereotypes?

Of course. women are also human beings, and as such belong to families and other social groupings of one sort or the other. 'Women's interests' do not have to be just narrowly about women as a specific human category. Women have children, they have siblings, brothers, fathers, husbands, boyfriends, families and communities they care about.

There are so many issues other issues other than abortion rights that led to women voting for Trump. If people did not focus so much on Trump ( admittedly, difficult to do) - but on the issues, it might help understand a bit better the outcome of the election.

I've finally caught up with this thread and I was wondering if we have any US posters who could give a brief post about whether the US media and/or Joe Public is excited about this EO or whether it's exploded into mud slinging or whether the majority don't care enough and have gone "meh" as they go to work.

this thinking is so weird. Yes. Men wanting to be women and dressing up as women is reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. The knots people will tie themselves into to defend their transphobia is astonishing

They are not more persecuted that women are they? How many deaths during that time period due to domestic violence?

Interesting take from Megyn Kelly - worth watching to the end where she reads out the poll numbers and shows that the Democrats don't even represent their own voters on this.

Emily Jashinsky makes a good point in the discussion, that most of the craziness is quite recent, I want to say in Obama's second term when American progressives started to kid themselves that the pendulum would never swing back and they would be in power forever, driving society towards the Woke Millennium.

Then Trump reversed some of those things by executive order, then Biden brought them back and put them on steroids.

We hear about polarisation, but stuff like boys in girls' sports can't crack 20% support with the electorate, and two thirds of Democrat voters are opposed. There are lots of the proverbial suburban soccer moms out there who may dislike Trump, but they like cocks in their daughter's locker room even less.

If the Democrats were smart they'd learn to read a poll. But being the Democrats, they'll probably nominate JB Pritzker for president.

The democrats didn’t use because of trans issues you do know that right?
also to some of us woke isn’t a derogatory term. I know, mad. Craziness to care about marginalized groups and continue to draw attention to inequality. its definitely going out of fashion in favor of reactionary politics and wanting to be a strong man part of the big three, rubbing shoulders with other lovey strong men like Putin and Xi Jinping.
sometimes in my darkest moments I feel like US got that they deserved and asked for with Trump. Sadly the rest of us will feel the effect too.

Not weird at all. Again and again, the looks and behaviours favoured by TIMs are heels, lipstick, frills, lycra, schoolgirl skirts... Pornified caricatures, accompanied by simpering, tee-hee I'm soooo weeeak now let's have a sleepover and a pillow fight.

The choices of a group who think women literally are just a costume, not proper people in our own right. Womanface.

What’s so weird to me is your preoccupation with this small minority. Why can’t you leave them alone? Oh I know the answers will be they are coming for us! To rape us and molest our kids because I read in the Daily Mail at least two people did that. This is a conversation going in circles.

I suspect trans women are afraid of violence by men if they go into male toilets just as women are afraid of violence by men who can be trans or in drag or just feel like going around in a skirt that day

Funny, isn’t it, how all the the TRA campaigning has never been for separate spaces. So much corporate acknowledge could easily have turned into funding for separate toilets.

But that’s not what the TiMs want, is it? They want to be in close proximity to women.

If you know the answer, why did you ask a question so remote from facts or reality?

When people make the statement that "it's just a small number", the unspoken substance of that argument is an acknowledgement that it would be a problem if the numbers were larger.

So please let me know how many excised breasts are acceptable, how many castrated boys, how many teens stunted by pubert blockers, confused by adults who should know better, children removed from loving parents who refuse to indulge the madness, how many predators let in to dressing rooms, hiw many jobs lost to speaking out?

What is an acceptable number?

*Small minority, check
*Daily Mail dig, check
*Leave the poor vulnerable people alone, check
*Entirely fail to acknowledge any of the very many posts and posters who have tried to explain to you how we ended up here and how a bad man can occasionally do something helpful, check.

I assume 'educate yourself' is coming and then I'll have a full house.

Seriously, what is your aim here? You seem to think scolding and scorning a generally educated and literate demographic will shame them sufficiently to deny reality.

What you're actually doing, I suspect, is suggesting to a fair few that the Dems/left Still Don't Fucking Get It and shouldn't be trusted with votes any time soon by anyone who gives a crap about women's rights and child safeguarding.

But do carry on. Maybe one more round of 'orange man bad!' will do the trick?

dressing up as women

See, you do get it

think You’ve done the job for me.

No amount of evidence of Trumps very real harm to workmen’s rights and all that will now come
down the line seems to be able to make understand the real implications of his presidency of this EO.

time will tell as it did w Brexit and we will all be poorer for it.

I’ve responded to all the posts and explained again and again how cheerleading a misogynist just because he’s also a transphope like you, isn’t smart if you want to promote workman rights. I give up. You only hear what you want to.

I saw that too. Didn't like to say😁

And you've managed to get to 26 pages in still unable to distinguish between supporting a policy and supporting a person.
So probably best if you just sit down now.

just because he’s also a transphope like you, isn’t smart if you want to promote workman rights

Don't be a transphope kids, it's not good for workmen.

Talking of numbers, prison statistics from the UK, 2024.

Men in prison: c 19% have committed at least one sex offence.

Trans-identifying prison population: c 62% have committed at least one sex offence.

It is perfectly reasonable for women to be concerned about those numbers.

The 'It's just a small number' line is also significant because it highlights the downright weirdness of how such a tiny number of people can have so much power in society that the law, education, medicine, language, etc etc have been changed at their behest.

How many disabled people are there in the UK? How long have they been campaigning for change? What changes in the law, education, medicine, language etc have they got in comparison?

Ironically, one of the few significant things disabled people managed to achieve was adapted/accessible/Disabled toilets - which are now sometimes used, either officially or unofficially, as 'neutral third spaces' for able-bodied transwomen who don't want to use the men's toilet. So even that hard-won achievement isn't safe from appropriation.

If the small but amongst-the-most-persecuted minority didn't wield such disproportionate power in society, I'm sure we'd be delighted to ignore them completely.

Believe it or not, I and I'd say most people here understand and deplore the implications of another Trump presidency.

But you're classing 'acknowledging that one decision he's made works for us' as cheerleading, and it just isn't.

That's the kind of black and white, childish tribal thinking that contributed to Brexit and both Trump wins IMO. As well as shredding women's rights and putting children on the path to sterilisation because disagreeing with the progressive worldview - any of it - made you bad.

After Brexit I decided not to do that any more. I try to engage constructively and not, eg, dismiss people as thick racists (or Nazis, if you prefer) because they have a different view.

You will make your own decisions, of course. But you'd have done ever so much better on this thread if you hadn't harangued and talked down quite so much.