Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

Of course I think they are a creep.

I also have opinions on if I think this person is actually " trans ", hence the quotes I used previously.

Trump is a reactionary misogynist. How
anyone can fail to see this is beyond me. Any repressed group should be concerned. If you’re not white and male, this is about to not be our time I’m afraid.

Someone shuold tell Tulsi Gabbard, Pam Bondi, Kristi Noem etc etc.

You can't be this obtuse.

If you make it a rule that the only criteria for being trans is saying it out loud, and it means men can access women everywhere, and go to work in fetish gear, who exactly do you think is going to start doing that??

He transition at 30 and is now 40.

He absolutely has a history of trauma which I personally think is what makes him good at his job.

He doesn't believe himself to be a biological man. Part of why he has the tattoo on his arm. He's a trans man.

The rates of domestic violence in law enforcement as we know are incredibly high. The rates of racist cops are extremely high.

Personally I'd rather a trans police officer show up to a mental health crisis than a white male cop. I wouldn't make that a law though even though I think racism and sexism are extremely dangerous delusions.

And to be honest most people who go into social work have extensive trauma.

Blimey! Can you imagine being a young woman taught by such a creep? He certainly shouldn't be displaying his fetish around children!

Please don't be rude to me.

I have not been rude to anyone on here.

I don't believe men should able to access women everywhere.

I have been quite clear on that.

I fall into the terf category on many issues.

Please do not put words in my mouth.

In what way might someone with a trans identity be discriminated against in the workplace? Assuming they have not been discriminated in the first place by not being offered the job because of their trans identity.

People not having to use preferred pronouns or positively expecting trans identified people to use the facilities for their sex ( or else an additional neutral space) would not be discrimination.

Males with trans identities could not apply for roles which are advertised as being sex specific ( a role for women only) but that would be because they are male.

Females with male identities may not be permitted into certain roles ( eg certain types of combat role) which are best performed by males and which may put them in unnecessary danger.

So your partner identifies as a man because of past trauma, so in effect is maybe distancing themselves from womanhood, rather than enthusiastically embracing manhood?

Would that be a fair assumption?

Of course I think they are a creep.

I also have opinions on if I think this person is actually " trans ", hence the quotes I used previously.

Did you read my post? The failure of the supposed reasonable trans community to call this behaviour out is what is alienating people, and has meant Trump was seen as the lesser of two evils for some.

No. I don't agree.

He has trauma but not because he was female.

If anything I'm the one who has extensive trauma around childhood sexual abuse, and I'm not trans.

I don't wish any harm to your partner, @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 but I don't believe having to pretend I think people are the opposite sex is good for society.

I haven't put words in your mouth. Neither am I being rude. I'm describing an attitude that I'm experiencing from you.

The idea that you wanted to call this man she, and that you're not quite sure they are really trans, indicates to me that you don't understand why a lot of men transition.

I'm explaining to you that if you provide men with a means to access vulnerable women and children and go to work in fetish gear, you're going to get men like this signing up.

You appeared to think that the breasts are fine, it was the clothing that was the problem!!

I realise these are intrusive questions, so feel free to ignore them.

But if your partner doesn't believe they are actually a man, and it's not as a result of the trauma they've experienced, then why are they trans?

I suppose this is what confuses me.
Many do call this out but it doesn't make the news.

And while yes I think it would be great if it was more publicized, and more white women called out racism against black women, anden sexism against women, I don't hold them accountable for the poor behavior of others.

If I did I'd never be alone with a white man.

Now, Trump being the leader of two evils is interesting. He's bragged about sexual assault.
Women are dying because of lack of access to abortions.

By all means I advocate for women's only spaces, but the above to me does not make Trump the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

I'm fact I dare say Trump has more in common with the people who claim to be part of the trans community and damage it than most.

So this is my opinion, and I'm genuinely interested in unpicking this because as I mentioned, I have trans-identifying friends and am by no means transHATING, merely GC.

As someone with a history of trauma, and resulting mental health issues, including a dissociative disorder - when I was in crisis, if someone who was clearly male but was presenting as female, or vice versa, was the person who attended, it would have been extremely frightening for me. Part of dissociation is the blurring between reality and illusion. Being presented by someone who was supposed to represent safety, but who contributed to my state of fear and confusion, would have been terrifying for me.

I love my trans woman friend. I treat her the way she wishes to be treated. I do not consider her to be a woman, despite her belief. When she begins her JK vitriolic rants, I excuse myself from the situation. Because I am not unkind. But nor will I support her delusion or her bile-based statements. I treat her with the respect I would give to anyone. But I would never consider her to be suitable to be responsible in a situation where there was clear and present danger to another's life.

I think the earlier comment about this being something to observe in the coming months, as the detail is worked through, is true. A grand sweeping statement rarely provides a solution. As with most things, the devil is in the detail. But in the same way as people say 'not all trans people are the same' I think it is also true to say 'not all trans people will be suitable for employment in the roles they wish to pursue, precisely BECAUSE of their trans identity'.

Are you still banging this drum?

For the umpteenth time, this thread is noting that there is a small silver lining to the storm clouds of the Trump Presidency, in that Federal policies will have to use the reality of biological sex when it is necessary to differentiate between men and women (or boys and girls). That’s it. It’s the same thing U.K. posters want in UK law and we won’t care if it’s a Labour or Tory government that achieves it. The rest is whataboutery and scolding.

Although I do think that in parallels with the USA, if Starmer doesn’t wise up and get some political nouse and listening to the peasants he may end up being the Biden figure - the next UK election will pivot to a populist right figure winning bigger than they did at the last election.

Your partner is female. Taking testosterone actually increases the risk of heart problems in females, as well as increasing the likelihood of male pattern baldness, for example.

Women who have had hysterectomies do not normally need to take testosterone, though it is understood that the ovaries also produce a small amount naturally - so if you have also had the ovaries removed you may want to consider some replacement hormones - although this would not not be vital.

Even once your partner stops taking testosterone her body would still continue to produce oestrogen. And even if she passes as male.....she is not. Her body is still biologically female and her doctor will need to know this, for example, in order to offer appropriate healthcare. Female bodies react differently to drugs than male bodies.

Your partner would likley never be able to play in competitive male sports without risk of injury, and certainly with any chance of winning, but if they are sporty they would once aagian be able to compete fairly in female sports once they had stopped dosing with testosterone.

And you are absolutely entitled to that opinion!

Again my concern is many trans people have been living as the opposite sex for years. Mostly under the radar until recently.

What happens to them?

Many therapists have experienced trauma themselves.

The important point is that they are reflective and reflexive in their practice around this and do not apply a fixed ideology to others experiences based on their own experience.
This is true for any therapist.

A trans identifying person could be a great mental health practitioner as long as they have good self awareness and reflection on their own past and way of processing that. Like all therapists.

Unfortunately many therapists do not have this, trans or not, so the whole 'industry' is pretty corrupted.

I would challenge that there are many trans people living as the opposite sex under the radar. I have yet to met a trans person where it was not immediately obvious.

Well that may be the problem. Living under the radar.

I can't think of a single transactivist who has even the smallest thought for women and their rights.

Pity more people aren't above the radar

If Princessconsuelabananahammock9 wants to call a halt to the discussion about her partner (I know she introduced the topic but..) I think she should do so. It's very personal, it is obviously something she worries about going forward,
and though it's interesting, it's just one person so only of anecdotal interest.

Princess.. you seem to be OK fielding all these questions, but I'd like you to be able to stop if it became difficult.

Just my opinion, obviously, just saying...

No confusion here very clear to me. Male / female the end.

Thavk goodness common sense has been restored.

You are correct. His life expectancy is lower because he transitioned.

He also can not compete against biological men in sports because he would never win. Lol This is why he doesn't agree with trans women competing against women.

I'm curious I guess, so would you say those who have transitioned in the states should be forced to detransition?

And yes he sees a family doctor who treats trans patients, because he is a biological female.