Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

My view is that he should have been told he must abide by the dress code for men or the dress code for women (though I have some concerns about the latter). In my school there was a woman teacher who departed part way through a term; we were not told the reason, but I wonder if her excessively short skirt had anything to do with it - it was certainly a distraction for young men who should have been studying! Dress codes can be tricky matters, but massive obviously fake breasts should be grounds for disciplinary measures and if persisted with, dismissal. In his case, it was a health and safety issue too.

Yes, exactly.

But if the ideology is completely reversed, then I imagine the men prepared to go work dressed as women will reduce massively.

Social convention will hopefully kick in.

Can you name a situation where a man who thinks he's a women would impair his ability to do the job?

Herein lies the problem with Gender Ideology - for one you are referring to that Canadian teacher as she when they are very obviously a he and one that is enforcing young people, children and adults to tiptoe around and validate his personal fetish.

It is utterly appalling that other people, especially children, should be used in this way.

Can you give an example of this?

My partner is a crisis worker and he's bloody amazing at his job.

In fact he typically handles the more difficult cases because he is incredibly good at his job .

Since this is an emergency service in Canada would you say he is capable or would him being a trans man mean he should lose his job?

So you can't answer what human rights trans people are losing either.

Thanks for (kind of) attempting to answer

But, I'm still concerned about what this means.

Well that's understandable. As it is for parents whose children identify as trans. It's a bloody minefield.

From my point of view, this is a necessary first step in order to unravel the ideology behind wanting to be the opposite sex.

i've always seen it as a symptom. Which obviously doesn't cure the problem.

This isn't a solution to that specific problem, but it will stop people focusing on the wrong problem. No one is the wrong sex. Let's address that and why they think they are.

Anywhere where the need to make immediate decisions based upon his perception of reality. Police. Security. Medical. Just a few.

What type of crisis worker? The detail is important here.

I'll be honest.

I think that teacher has a lot of fucking issues going on and the fact felt that was appropriate attire made it clear they should be no where near children.

The fake boobs thing is tricky only because I have friends with big fake boobs that are women. I don't think they aren't capable of being teachers, but they need to dress appropriately.

I don't believe most trans women want to look like that though ( or at least none of the ones I've met) so enforcing a dress code would likely take care of that.

So no I don't think they should be teaching. Not because they are " trans " but because they were creepy.

What's inappropriate about the clothes being worn?

Interesting.

Why do you think this would affect his ability?

He's a mental health crisis worker and the best of the best.

He's also considering becoming a police officer.

Right now he's part of a team 911 dispatches instead of police to help people having a mental health crisis.

It's so we can use less police resources on unnecessary police matters and also protect vulnerable people from police who don't know how to work with people who have mental illnesses.

Thanks for your reply and I agree with a lot of it. However, the big issue, the elephant in the room if you prefer is that this teacher was protected and kept in post due to the adherence to and imposition of the dangerous Gender Ideology that has taken root in Canada.

think people did care that this man had enormous fake breasts!

A man wearing fake breasts to school is an obvious red flag. If it's not AGP, what is it?

We happen to have had, straight from the horse's mouth, from an ostensibly very supportive transwoman, that he, and many men who identify as women, believe that the size of a woman's breasts denote her social status.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for any man to wear fake breasts, whether they are enormous, small, or inappropriately clad.

Indeed. The failure to recognise and/or call out the obvious creeps and chancers is absolutely part of the problem, and it was obviously going to end in pushback eventually. And this poster uses female pronouns for this man

Picture didn't save... Almost all pics show him in trousers and a long sleeve top. What is it about the clothes that's inappropriate?

For me it's the giant fake tits with massive erect nipples poking out but you don't have a problem with those.

@IwantToRetire there is another thread where they linked to the documentation and it talks about sex.

The fake boobs thing is tricky only because I have friends with big fake boobs that are women. I don't think they aren't capable of being teachers, but they need to dress appropriately.

No. It's not equivalent.

You can't just look at this issue as what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Women having fake breasts do it for numerous reasons, for which you could probably fill ten threads, including breast reconstruction after cancer.

Men have fake breasts because of a fetish.

going into work dressed in essentially fetish gear, is not on.

It's the leggings, they really don't go with that top !

those are clearly what Trump would call common sense

I have an issue with the short skirts and top that don't cover up.

If your shirt doesn't cover you and you can't bend over that's an issue.

See, I think this looks absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think this person can even move properly.

I won't comment on the nipples because nipples themselves don't bother me. I rarely wear a bra.

They look ridiculous. I'd just rather they fire them for that than being trans.

I mean to be fair I think the whole outfit, hair, and make up is a crime again fashion.

Thanks for giving this the detailed response.

I have to be honest, and I genuinely mean no insult here, but I believe that someone who believes they were born in the wrong body, and is truly a different sex to their biological one, is suffering from some form of deep-seated mental health issue. There is an element of disassociation from the Self, and in the limited experience I have with trans-identifying friends, each one of them has trauma in their past that can clearly be connected to their wish to be Other.

As such, their ability to make a clear, reasoned assessment of a situation in which there was a mental health crisis would, in my opinion, be extremely difficult.

Can I ask how long they have considered themselves to be trans?

My thoughts exactly

What you don't get is he can't be fired because IS trans.

I think this is the type of issue which is going to be tested in law.

If you have one type of delusion does it impact all other perceptions?

It's going to be interesting...