Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

What do you mean by “life-saving” hormone therapy?

do you mean people who have chosen to have their ovaries or testicles removed, so would be without sex hormones due to these choices?

Or - life-saving as in essential for mental health. Because the suicide trope has been debunked

Meant ditto to this
no one has engaged with the fact that Trump is massively bad news for women’s rights and that by celebrating this EOD you’re falling for his clever populist divide and rule tactic.
Feminists applauding Trump.
Couldn’t make that up

life saving hormone therapy

How is oestrogen for a male prisoner “life saving”?

Rapist and paedofiles and murderers should be in high security prisons where they can’t hurt other inmates, men or women

So an order that removes them from women’s prisons is a good thing then.

but yes let’s focus on the 0.01 or whatever proportion of trans inmates in women’s prisons.

The focus is on all the women who have to be locked up with these men. Obviously those women aren’t worthwhile to you.

“I’ve read enough”

“It’s not that bad”

”It’s not too many”

I think you speak loudly enough for everyone to see that the thousands of women impacted aren’t “enough” for you. For some, it will never be enough.

Debunked by who? Not the trans communities I’m familiar with

Simple question @leftorrightnow : do you think trans identifying males should be allowed to be placed in women’s prisons?

How many women do you think will be impacted by Trumps roll back of reproductive rights? Of health insurance cover for reproductive rights? Of pushback in equal pay? Of defunding for reproductive rights organizations? On pushback on equal pay and stalling on maternity leave and childcare policies?

a few more than women sharing a cell with trans people I think

but you’re so blinded by transphobia you can’t see that

So instead of reading the thread, you made an assumption about its contents?

the right to life saving hormone therapy

Can you explain where this right comes from please? e.g. The right to free speech comes from the first ammendment to the US constitution. Where does the right you assert come from?

Yes, that’s the trope isn’t it. That some men will literally die if they don’t take oestrogen and progesterone.

There’s no evidence that’s true though.

They also say that misgendering is literal violence but that isn’t true either.

Has he done any of that? If he does I will complain and rail against it.

a few more than women sharing a cell with trans people I think

Is this acceptable to you? Simple question: do you think trans identifying males should be allowed to be placed in women’s prisons?

and I’m going to encourage leftists to put the trans issue in the back of the queue

You do that. Look forward to their regrouping and focus on actual women's rights.

Ignoring the obvious attempts to derail this conversation by repeating the same old things we've all heard time and time again from those who believe men's rights supersede those of women...

I found this to be interesting reading:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/publiceducation/resources/teacherrportal/educationalresources/executiveeorders/

I think what it says is that, in order to overturn an executive order, it would need to be argued and, crucially, debated properly. And we know that these positions never stand up to scrutiny.

no but men are by a huge magnitude more likely to be murderers, rapists and paedophiles

and trans women are men

as we keep saying, it’s not about them being trans, its about them being men

btw thanks for allowing us to make all the arguments all over again. I’m sure the lurkers are very interested. As always operation let them speak works a treat

Yep. Appreciate this service you're doing @leftorrightnow

As they have been for decades. How many women’s rights have the right ensured?

And another pivot. It's dizzying.

One of the advantages of being part of a rural community is that this bs just doesn't fly. There's 2 sexes, we ain't getting milk from a bull. I'm natural Democrat but this just turns my stomach. I couldn't vote for Harris even if it meant getting trump.

You can't protect what you can't define. Women's rights don't exist without a distinct category of women.

Yes he did all of that last time he was in office and he will again.

No one has engaged with that fact as that isn't what this thread is about.

No one (I'm assuming) on this thread is falling for anything. No one is applauding Trump and certainly not in the way you think we are.

We all know Trump is bad news. We all know his attitudes about woman are repulsive.

But most of us know men who claim to be women are actually still men. And we'd like the laws to reflect that.

He may be about to screw American women so much that they are all back to being bare footed pregnant and tied to the kitchen sink. And that is horrifying.

HOWEVER those issues are not what THIS THREAD is about.

i hope baron is gay
this is actually the least problem
if i could move i would

OP he meant sex, not gender. It's quite clear here.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

The US health system is insurance based and if trans people don’t exist as argali category they can’t get appropriate health care either. In fact I assume the EOD will lead directly to a resurgence of conversion therapy

But I was told that no one needed to present in a particular way to be trans. Ie you can be a TiM just by saying so - no need for hormones or surgeries.

if trans people don’t exist as argali category they can’t get appropriate health care either.

That's an amazingly telling and accurate sentence - they're not getting this "health care" because of any medical need, but because they're a "category".

But it is. If all he wanted was to tweak that trans people aren’t in female prisons (to the person who asked I don’t think they should be) he didn’t need to sign an EOD on gender as one of his first acts. That could be tweaked with much more narrow legislation.

What he wants is to bring the focus back on the gender differences between men and women. The NATURAL order of things. Common sense. Such as men run things and women stay at home.
He is among this a big deal because it’s signaling his assault on all things he deems woke, most of them the progress of rights for minorities and gender and ethnic equality

Aren’t you the one saying how important it is for women to be a category?

as you rightfully say, rights are tied to being a category