Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

Because this is the sex and gender discussion board, and the topic of this thread is about one very specific thing to do with sex and gender.

The conflation of which and the allowing of men to say they are women affects all the things you listed. You can't do anything about any of the things you listed if your definition of women includes men.

You want a sensible discussion about the other issues you raise? Then start a new thread.

Ok. But it’s not a “small part of the left” doing whatever you think they’re doing, is it? It’s the president and huge national organisations.

So why do you think it’s a “small part of the left”?

Hmm, his chief of staff (i.e. his closest advisor) is Susie Wiles. Any evidence that SHE - first female chief of staff by the way - is a misogynist? I seriously doubt it.

Who is Susie Wiles, Trump's new chief of staff? | AP News

So the left is to blame for Trump's win? Or, in other words, the left forced people towards the right, making them lose all their critical thinking abilities and vote for a demagogue?

I'd include GC feminists in this - have they, then, been forced to the right by the actions of the dastardly left? Don't they have minds and convictions of their own?

Here is the text of the order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

it Doesn’t include men. It includes trans people.

I would agree that some women have been pushed to the right by the actions of the left. This thread treating women like idiots is a prime example.

So the left is to blame for Trump's win?

Yes, they are.

Agreed.

I have read the text of the EO and honestly I feel immensely relieved and I am hoping that this gets taken up the UK.

I believe a robust and happy society thrives on rules. It doesn’t matter so much what the exact rules are but people like to know their relationships to others and that the rules are faily an equally applied. Men/women, easy to understand but once you loosen what that means then different interpretations come in and it causes conflict.

It is the same for immigration – we have rules but they seem to not being applied, we have being seemingly getting things that citizens don’t. We have rules for legal migration that are seemingly being bipassed . it causes unrest.

It is the same for law and order. There are laws and the police either don’t investigate or some people get prosecuted and others don’t. Hence 2 Tier Keir and the resultant anger.

It is another reason why people are getting at DEI s the old rules of meritocracy have been thrown out the window and people are struggling as they don’t know how to move forward without the old structure of work hard = rewards.

Trump’s EO I think just return society back to one with more structure. Some people feel they lose out from that and there will always be winners and losers with any change but I’m very hopeful that putting this structure in place will mean life will ultimately become more harmonious

it Doesn’t include men. It includes trans people.

It does include men, that's the entire problem. It's not about "trans" it's because they are men.

if you’re referring to me as I assume you are I’m not intending to treat anyone as an idiot. If my arguments make you feel like one that’s on you.
like I said I’d be much less gentle if this was a group of men. Im just not polite about this why should I be? The man we’re debating is anything but. And the people who support him aren’t exactly courteous either.

I think you are just a man tbh. Nothing added, nothing special.

Please see this focus on trans rights for what it is - a diversion for women fighting for our real rights of equality with men.
No. I disagree. Women cannot have rights if you cannot define what a woman is. However I agree with a pp, you really don't have a clue.

we need to recognise trans people and protect their rights.
They already have rights which are the same as for the rest of us. They do not, nor should not, have more rights that take away the rights from another group which is what has happened. This has been the biggest and main, argument.

I’m not intending to treat anyone as an idiot. If my arguments make you feel like one that’s on you.

No one particularly is paying much attention to your "arguments" such as they are. Heard it all before.

Men are not women. This is correction.

And transwomen are MEN. I can't call myself a transwoman as I'm already a woman. The trans part signifies that the person is identifying as the sex they actually aren't. So every single transwoman on the planet is in fact a man.

I don't want men included in statistics, quotas, policies or places that are specifically about women.

If it wasn't important to them, they could have just dropped it when they saw it was likely to lose them the election.

Lol, they literally had a trans woman flash their breasts on the white house lawn.

Harris literally sent a white house letter to a You Tuber to congratulating them on 100 days of 'being a girl'. This was a grown male.

If they weren't making it front and centre why publicly display fawning over these males?

Why remove women's right to fair sport on day one?

leftorrightnow, gender ideology/the transgender issue/however you want to refer to it is so deeply embedded in how we just exist as women that it undermines all the valid issues you mention -' violence against women, lack of equal pay, lack of funded childcare, lack of women in power and politics' (all issues which I and I'm sure many other posters here on FWR have actively campaigned on for years).

If the very definition of a category is changed unilaterally and without justification, those issues become blurred: it is a fact that the greatest danger of violence to women comes from men, but by re-labelling men as women, it removes the protection of women-only spaces; women lose out. If you want more women in power and politics, you can improve the ratios by re-labelling men as women; women lose out. If you blur the categories of male and female, you can't actually calculate the lack of pay between men and women workers; women lose out. And so on.

These are basic, underlying day-to-day injustices imposed on women who share your interest in violence against women, lack of equal pay, lack of funded childcare, lack of women in power and politics, etc.

The very successful trans campaign (has any other campaign changed the law, language, medicine, education etc to such an extent, in such a short time?) is indeed a 'distraction' from those bread-and-butter issues, but one that women didn't ask for, don't want, wish would go away, and know where the blame belongs. But it can't just be shrugged off as an unimportant distraction from the 'real' issues.

Here is the order:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

What really strikes me is that none of this is having to be based on 'GC beliefs' as a protected characteristic in the way this has had to be used to challenge GI in the UK legal system. This is saying:

It's not a belief it's a reality.

There are only two sexes and that is what the law is based on.

It changes everything. We're back in reality.

Well they're back in reality in the US.

Threads on other feminist issues not to do with sex and gender are supposed to go on the other feminist board, which is mainly tumbleweed. Which is a shame, as I liked to see the threads on other things, but I don't often go over to feminist chat.

But this is what the genderists wanted, and this is what we argued we'd get if they won, and we're all the poorer for it.

That's quite simplistic, don't you think?

If the Democrats had won, you wouldn't be saying, "That's the fault of the Right". You might say it was a combination of factors, of that they ran a good campaign - not that they only won because of the other side's catastrophic failure. You're running a campaign against the left, for whatever reason.

Lol that hilarious. every time I come in with a pro trans right stance I get accused of being a man. We all know I can’t prove I’m not on an anonymous forum. Assume you’re making that accusation because you’re out of valid arguments so retreat to focusing on the person rather than the argument.

if anyone has premium feature feel free to check my posts on other threads and see if you think a man would post like that.

You've said at least twice now I’d be much less gentle if this was a group of men. You really don't see women as equal to men do you? All those delicate flowers of womanhood clearly can't discuss things the same way a man could. I shall speak down to them least I offend their delicate sensibilities.
You are literally doing this: Women: Know Your Limits!

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You can be as "gentle" or not as you like, wheel out all your best arguments @leftorrightnow

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