Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

Try reading my post properly.

The point is that that posters post makes it clear she doesn’t understand what she writes about, yet feels free to arrogantly patronise those who do.

You can disagree with me all you like, but if it’s coming from a place of ignorant assumption, rather than a position of knowledge, reason and critical thinking, then you’re an arrogant fool not worth listening too. And you’d do well to challenge your own thinking processes instead of exposing yourself as a the type of fool who’s happy to argue on a subject they know little about. People like that just embarrass themselves.

He's an agitator, a detractor.

It doesn't mean that this executive order isn't good news for women and children.

But will Starmer listen & follow suit?

I'm not holding my breath.

Presumably a woman could come off testosterone gradually to avoid withdrawal symptoms, just like with many other drugs.

well, I do feel very strongly about the dangers to women’s rights, democracy, world stability and human rights that Trump represents.

maybe I sometimes get too heated and apologies for that.

but trust me, if you were all men I’d have been much less polite!

Id also feel nauseous, if I was realising I was inadvertently praising a demagogue supported by fascists, fascists doing very effective interventions in UK politics this very moment.

There's a thread on here with the video you can watch.

He does it twice.

There's no mistaking it.

Please enlighten me as to the extensive damage to women’s rights caused by trans-rights?

Have the last 10 or more years passed you by?

@leftorrightnow
Your belief that only your views are valid, and that you are here to save women too stupid to know what's good for them is an inherently sexist belief. You clearly think women are lesser beings. It's so cringe and backwards. You are not the saviour messiah you think you are, that's just in your own mind. Calm down a bit and stop being so emotionally knee jerk reactive.
The only thing you are right on is assuming I was talking about you.

There are hardly any trans people. How many of you have actively in your own lives had ANY issues with trans people? It’s a media created moral panic.

Have you really missed all the posts on here where posters have talked about their own children getting caught up in this ideology?

Have you really missed all the posts by women whose husbands have suddenly decided they were trans?

Perhaps you should read a few more threads on here before commenting further and showing even more of your ignorance.

We are discussing Trump even though presumably very few of us had a vote in the US election. I’m directing criticism of people who come on here saying that Trump’s gender EO is a good thing. That’s the conversation we’re having isn’t it?

I’m directing criticism of people who come in here saying that Trump’s gender EO is a good thing.

It falls in the domain of stopped clocks for me, @leftorrightnow

I see you're still determined to show your ignorance.

I have read many of these threads. I maintain it’s a niche issue. I haven’t met anyone who has these issues IRL

i do know people who’s kids are trans and they are fine with this as are the kids.

I don’t know anyone IRL who takes these stances.

equally statistically this is a very small
proportion of the population.

I’m determined to show my ignorance by asking a question?

I don’t think only my views are valid on lots of things. I do think I’m right abut trump being a massive step back for women’s rights globally, not just in the US. I’m not ashamed to say that.

I haven’t met anyone who has these issues IRL

So are you claiming that all the posters on here who have talked about their experiences are making it up? Or do you think they're all bots or something?

What about the exponential increase in child referrals to gender clinics? Is that all made up as well?

What about all the employment tribunals and other court cases? Are they not real because you didn't attend?

They haven’t but maybe the alternate reality of MN where trans issues are one of the most important things have passed me by, yes.

We are indeed discussing the Executive Order.

I am not "praising Trump".

I'm pleased about the EO.

I'm going to quote, as a PP has done, its stated purpose.

"Purpose. Across the country, ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers. This is wrong. Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being. The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system. Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself."

@leftorrightnow
When the category of woman is indefinable or includes males, women and girls lose:
The right to female-only services, spaces, opportunities and sport.
The right to freely associate as lesbians.
The right to associate as women.
The rights to privacy, dignity and safety

Among others.

This affects all women. It's huge. Not niche.

They are real of course. They’re just so few compared to women killed by men, suffering from domestic violence, not having equal pay and in other ways being discriminated against.

but instead of focusing on this, MN are falling right into the right wing trap of focus on trans issues.

You could start here:
Break it down for me? | Mumsnet

So the thousands of women negatively affected by:

Prisons
Sport
Single sex spaces
Employment issues
Their children being affected

has passed you by? And you’re proud of this?

Do you think these are all issues trump will support l?

You must be kidding, now? Come on, there are many things you've said in this thread where I'm happy to assume you're not actively baiting. But this?