Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

If Obama had kept his first day promise then Roe v Wade could never have been overturned.

But this is always so very conveniently forgotten.

Let's hope you are right...

So because the left is less than perfect people are excused for choosing a demagogue and convicted criminal who’s actively supporting fascists?

I didn't choose him, maybe direct this at someone who did?

And yes, it seems awareness is belatedly dawning that the left has badly fucked up.

Sexism and misogyny do not go away when you pretend sex doesn't exist or doesn't matter in any circumstances.

They are just disguised, made virtually impossible to combat.

Sexual exploitation of women, MVAWG do not disappear when people pretend not to to know what a woman is. It just becomes impossible to name what is occurring.

Sexism and misogyny are the problem, not the fact of women and girls existing as a class of people.

I don’t care about people changing sex. Change sex all you want.

That's the point, it isn't possible and pretending that it is makes politicians sound mad and untrustworthy to the vast majority of people.

This is what you are failing to grasp. Men are not women, women are not men, trans activists don't make good health secretaries and people with a vote show their lack of agreement by voting.

Do you really believe that?

Do you really believe in a country that previously allowed abortion women had no rights because of trans people?

And now that abortion has been banned and trans people no longer exist ( or whatever this means), women have rights?

And what does this mean exactly for trans people? What does everyone think this means?

Does it mean trans women can't compete in sports ( which I agree with) or trans people can't access hormones they need?

I'm just catching up on this thread, and I'm getting this very nauseating vibe. From one poster in particular.

Am I the only one that getting a nasty taste in my mouth over a very "you stupid women are clearly too stupid to understand, and I'm here to try and help you stupid women" vibe?

Talking to women like this on mumsnet is not a good idea in my opinion. It also demonstrates a really backwards view towards what you really think of women. Like are we going to have witch dunkings next? It's not as progressive as you think to assume all women are idiots. Please stop it.

Read the Executive Order.

I think it’s a tiny narrow issues which been blown out of proportion by the right wing, aided by useful fools in the feminist quarters.

look at the stats. There are hardly any trans people. How many of you have actively in your own lives had ANY issues with trans people? It’s a media created moral panic.

when feminists pay too much attention to it they loose sight of the very real and much more serious threats to women’s rights coming from the very SAME people who are anti trans rights.

Ending up with feminists praising Trump. It’s a master stroke by him, really. embracing your own worst enemy

No mammal change sex, and that includes humans.

Human sex is binary and immutable. That is a provable, observable scientific fact.

Pretending that humans can change sex has caused harm to women and children especially.

He won the popular vote by 1.5%. His announcement about the 'gender' executive order got the biggest cheer in the inauguration arena. He spent millions on adverts highlighting dems funding cross sex hormones and surgery in prison. I'd join the dots on this, ordinary people are sick of weird bullshit.

Does it mean trans women can't compete in sports ( which I agree with)

No, it means men can't compete in the female category.

Re hormones, if people already need them I think they should be able to get what they medically need, as with anything. Who pays for it is a different issue.

If my partner were to stop having access to testosterone he would die. His body would literally shut down and die.

This isn’t true, a female can safely come off testosterone with the right guidance.

And if it was true, it’s hardly a ringing endorsement for gender affirming medical treatment, is it?

“I started testosterone for a nebulous inner belief, its effects will bring about my early death, and stopping it is a ticking time bomb. But teenage girls should have access to this as soon as they hit puberty! Trans rights matter!” 🙄

Showing your colours now.

You're just another TRA here to scold women.

I've no interest in your opinions.

It's a real cheek saying Trump doesn't give a shit about women's rights when you don't either!

And you're telling us to demonstrate a bit more introspection!

I'll be happy to engage with you about the post I actually wrote. When you have read it, please respond again.

I think it’s a tiny narrow issues which been blown out of proportion by the right wing, aided by useful fools in the feminist quarters.

See, I think it's the genderists who are the useful fools, for making it such a central plank that people were unable to support. We're all different.

Quite.

I'm confused.

Can you point out where I said teenagers should transition?

And yes, without testosterone his organs would shut down.

Do you think it would be ok to do that to him?

I’ve read your posts with half a smile on my face at the painfully arrogant way you have come on this forum and told posters here that we’re all ninnies without any understanding, whereas you are the only intelligent person with the right ideas. Who has ‘educated’ themself, to use your own, patronising, phrase.

And then you make a post like this, that exposes your own complete lack of knowledge and education when it comes to the harms created for women and children by gender-woo. Dismissing it as a ‘narrow issues’ makes you sound like an utter ignoramous.

You really have not got the first clue what you are talking about in this topic. Educate yourself.

You didn't see Elon do the Nazi salute?

Really???

How does someone change sex?

Why are you assuming all women on this forum agree with you?

I've been here for years and I disagree with you.

Do you have to agree with you to be on MN?

The funniest part of all this is that most women on here are pretty left wing. Feminists traditionally were the left.

It isn’t our fault the left up and offed to cloud cuckoo land to worship the bearded woke bros leaving us high and dry in rational land.

Organs would not shut down. This isn’t true. The female body can cope just fine without testosterone.

If you don’t think children should get testosterone, WPATH and its clinicians do. But your example of drama doesn’t matter to them it seems.

I haven’t seen it yet. I’d like to see a video rather than a still.
He may well have. Equally he may well have raised his hand in a triumphant way. I’ve seen a lot of people do that reaching forward, ‘yes!’ action.

I wouldn’t put it past him, as he’s a maverick with no boundaries. We’ll see.