Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

[ConversingWithStrangers]

The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

and yet she responded to my post stating that she “stands by both statements”

not both your statements

she meant she stands by her statements

Like when you pretended I said trans people don't matter, you mean?

I’m not interested in dialogue with posters who just make up stuff and pretend I said it

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they are a tiny and very demanding minority

say what now?

You said that it doesn’t matter what a trans person is and then said you stood by this statement/

Is it not rather demanding to require half the global population to be redefined just so that you can be included despite not meeting the criteria for inclusion?

Yes.

Not "trans people don't matter".

But "it doesn't matter what a trans person is", because what a trans person is has no bearing on what a woman is.

I'm a woman because I'm an adult human of the female sex. Nothing about what a trans person is is ever going to change that.

I'm not suddenly going to have a light bulb moment, upon reading your earnest explanation about male people who feel that their subconscious imaginary sex is female, and realise that I'm actually part of a mixed sex group whose subconscious imaginary sex is female, and that it is completely unnecessary to even have a word for people whose real sex is female.

No, sex doesn't derive from gender. Even if the whole world mistakes me for a man for the rest of my life, I will still be living with the reality of having a female body. That is my sex.

Ah no, it is exactly how it works.

Most people can perceive the natal sex of most other people most of the time. I'm sorry, but that is just how it is. I'm not one of these posters who thinks "you can always tell", but I do think enough people can tell enough of the time that for most people their sex is a significant factor in how they are treated all the time, and for everyone sex has been a significant factor at some times.

You are right about gender being "the psychological processes / social cues by which we recognise and assign identities to ourselves and others", but you have a simplistic view of this whereby the individual's self image is somehow able to control of the perceptions of others, and also is not in turn infleunced by others.

In fact, it's a complex, ongoing and crucially self-affecting process that starts as soon as we are born and never stops. By the time a trans women considers that he may be a "woman", his personality has already been subject to many many interactions with people who know him to be male and therefore are shaped by the expectations of male gender constructs. Already, his experience of life and the understanding of self that has formed has taken a different path to that of a person born female. And of course he knows his own sex, and understands and is influenced by the messages his culture gives him about what it is to be that sex even if later in life he will consciously chose to reject that construct and adopt what he believes is a female social construct instead. So even if in later life he passes perfectly as a woman and therefore is subject to exactly the same external treatment, it is still a different experience and challenge, and leads to different needs and outcomes, as when the same things happen to someone born female whose personality was formed under the knowledge of being female-bodied.

None of this is to say that people need to accept, embrace and live within the gender constructs society imposes on their sex of course, but saying that sex is not relevent to our social experiences and challenges and therefore no sex-based provisions are justified is just wrong, and it disadvantages female people in particular when genderists push this line.

“I consider that to be a profoundly “conservative” (and highly irrational) notion that is antithetical to sexual and reproductive freedoms for women and girls, as well as sexual and gender minorities.”

You edited in this para after you posted.

Affording women the privacy and dignity of single-sex female-only spaces when in a state of undress is damaging to the sexual freedoms of males who want access to women and girls in a state of undress. It isn’t damaging to the sexual freedom of women.

Denying women and girls the privacy and dignity of single-sex female-only male-free spaces when in a state of undress is not profoundly progressive, nor is it highly rational.

If it’s subconscious, how is anyone aware of it? That would make it conscious. When your argument relies on incoherent piffle, it’s clear there’s a problem. Operation Let Them Speak continues.

How can something which is real (sex) derive from something which is imaginary (gender)?

A stillborn baby has a sex. He or she most certainly does not have a gender identity.

Also, when is this argument that we can't tell what sex someone is without inspecting their genitals going to get in the bloody sea?

This is what being trans is. It’s not imaginary. And it matters very much to the definition of what a woman is .

I see despite your leap to accuse me she has clarified that you are in fact wrong here. Are you going to apologise?

It only matters to the definition of woman if you are arguing that the definition of woman should include trans women, i.e. male people.

We are arguing the opposite.

“Subconscious sex" is a term primarily used within transgender discussions , referring to an individual's deeply ingrained sense of their own gender identity, often described as the "feeling" of what sex their body should be on a subconscious level.
Someone assigned female at birth might have a "subconscious sex" of male, meaning their brain primarily experiences itself as male despite their physical body being female.

You don’t think single-sex female-only spaces are necessary. You made that clear.

“it made my scorn for the idea that social segregation based on reproductive anatomy is a vital social policy - an effective and necessary means for ensuring safety for women and girls, and justified because of reproductive roles/ capacities - clear”

“Subconscious” means beneath consciousness. It means you aren’t aware of it.

Defining “subconscious sex” as something someone consciously experiences is oxymoronic.

And that’s before you even get to the nonsensical idea of how a male person’s brain can knowingly experience something female.

How on earth would you know how your brain "experiences itself" in comparison with other people?

A trans woman has no way of knowing whether their private thoughts are more aligned with those of women or other men.

Even I don't claim to know how other women think and feel. It's reductionist to think you do even when you are a woman. It's absurd to think so when you are actually a man and have had zero female experiences in your life.

And round we go again...

Why is a self-identified subconscious gender more pertinent to what a woman is than physical sex?

And if this self-identified subconscious gender is indeed a better defintion of "woman" than the original sex based meaning, and therefore "woman's" rights and protections do not exist to protect female people, why does that somehow also mean we can't in addition have language to decribe the experiences and challenges of people who are physically female, or mean that those people should not be allowed exclusively female rights and protections?

It’s a term from the literature. It’s subconscious in the sense that it’s a not a conscious thought/
cognition “I am female” but rather a deeply ingrained sense that exists independent of someone’s ability to make sense of it on a conscious level.

What literature? Pinocchio?

in comparison with other people?

Its got absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with other people.
There is no comparison involved or requiredz

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@Lostcat can you define transwoman for me?