Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

Explain please? I have no idea why you think anything you have said makes my comment ironic.

Perhaps you are not expressing yourself as well as you thought. Maybe you could reply to the many posts asking you to clarify?

Can you see your own words?
"I haven't said that gay men are attracted to transmen(women) I've only said that gay men are attracted to transmen".
Which is exactly the same thing. And very homophobic.

The irony of you getting upset about someone trying to be an arbiter if gender and sexuality... that's just your job then? 🤣.

Sweetie, neither you or I can arbiter what being homosexual is....it's already defined. Neither one of us can change it. It means same sex attracted. Same sex. Women and transwomen are not the same sex. Therefore lesbians are not attracted to transwoman etc etc.

It's already defined and decided. You can't change it. And it's homophobic to attempt to, so you should stop that.

So assuming that stat in that one paper is accurate, if roughly 5 % of people in the world are lesbian and 9% of those are attracted to trans women- how many lesbians is that - that you are denying are lesbians? 37.8 million? Do you think it’s ok to tell 37.8 million lesbians they aren’t lesbians because you said so?

i am more than happy for someone to come up with a word to say same gender attracted

but same sex attraction already has its own words

I haven't said that gay men are attracted to transmen(women) I've only said that gay men are attracted to transmen".

No some gay men are attracted to gay men.

Lesbians aren't attracted to men. Anyone who calls themselves a lesbian and says they are attracted to men (which includes transwomen) isn't actually a lesbian.

Applying a label to yourself doesn't make it true, even if you believe it to be. Words having meanings irrespective of your feelings.

You seem to think people are whatever they say they are, and noone can argue. You seem very naive.

Also please don’t call me sweetie that’s also misogynistic

If they are regularly attracted to men then they are not lesbians and I would be quite happy to explain that to them.

Sure, some are attracted to straight men too.

But all gay men are attracted to men. Not women. It's the actual definition of gay man.

Loud and clear @ellenback21 and @DowntonCrabbie you have decided that 10s of millions of lesbians in the world aren’t lesbians and you are more than happy to explain to those lesbians that they aren’t in fact lesbians. I hear you.

Very loud and very clear @Lostcat . Though I would prefer not to have to do it one at a time

This is the root of so much of the mischief, isn't it? If genderists hadn't taken the route of (naively or cynically) appropriating existing words still required for their original purposes, but had creatively addressed the need for a whole new vocabulary, a lot of the nonsense that has been in evidence on this thread, and elsewhere, could have been avoided.

Keep man, woman, gay, lesbian to their original meanings, already well understood by the man and woman in the street. Make new words for the new categories such as "people, regardless of body type, who feel feminine" (or masculine), and "people who feel feminine who are are attracted to people who feel feminine" (I like your "femmamory"). These are interesting new concepts that widen the understanding of human nature and should have their own terminology, instead of stealing old terminology from concepts that still exist.

No, honey. You're confused. It's not that WE have decided it, it's that the actual definition decides it.

If you tell me you're a vegan but that you also eat duck, it's not MY decision that you're not a vegan, is it? You just aren't vegan. You understand that, I'm sure.
So if you tell me that you're a lesbian but sleep with people with penises, it's not MY decision that you're not a lesbian, is it? You just aren't. The definition excludes you.

Do you know how words work?

Again the use of “ honey “. No need for the dripping misogyny

Keep man, woman, gay, lesbian to their original meanings, already well understood by the man and woman in the street. Make new words for the new categories such as "people, regardless of body type, who feel feminine" (or masculine), and "people who feel feminine who are are attracted to people who feel feminine" (I like your "femmamory"). These are interesting new concepts that widen the understanding of human nature and should have their own terminology, instead of stealing old terminology from concepts that still exist

perfect

It is such a weird thing about genderism that those who practice it cling so fiercely to these pre-existing labels even though to use them as they want to they have to totally change the meaning of them.

It's like me tying my identity to being a petite woman even though I'm actually 5'10 so strongly that I come to believe my existence as a 5'10 self-identifying short women is literal proof that "short" includes 5'10.

Or like deciding that "cat" now includes the animals we previously knew as horses, and then complaining that cat beds and litterboxes could never have been supposed to be for cats because they don't fit all cats.

As per a PP's analogy, as a vegetarian of over 3 decades, I politely correct everyone I've ever met who describes themselves as "a vegetarian who eats fish/chicken/my Nan's Sunday roast". They are NOT vegetarians, and they actively make my life harder.

Happily, the word "pescatarian" is in more common useage now, and helpfully describes the not insignificant people who eat fish, but not meat. If there genuinely are lesbians who are attracted to trans identifying males, why can't they have a specific name so everyone knows what's what?

Very loud and very clear @Lostcat . Though I would prefer not to have to do it one at a time

YOUR dripping misogyny? What has the term honey got to do.with sex?

Have you become so obsessed with transphobia that you've forgotten not to be incredibly sexist and homophobic?

I am glad that is all sorted now

Surely you understand it’s sexist to address an unfamiliar woman as “sweetie” and “honey” and accuse her of “shrieking” just because she doesn’t agree with you? 🤔

I’ll welcome you into the short club flirts - even if standing next to me you’d obviously be about a foot taller than I am, but I need someone to get things off high shelves for me so, you’re in.

Oh dear, why ever would I assume you are a woman? Have you assumed I am a woman? Why would you think such terms are only used for women, and that there have any particular connotation?
How terribly sexist you are.

You really are coming across very badly here. Also shreiking was for you as you, nothing to do with sex, as an accurate description of your demeanour on most threads. You trample across them repeatedly shreiking "transphobia" far and wide , usually without any meaningful engagement l, just stridently accusing. You're a shreiker.

Well, this thread has become a great study for recognising misogyny.

We have some posters who cannot recognised the very systemic misogyny that is the outcome of male people claiming to be women, lesbians and female, and defining their life experience as being one of a female person. Who declare any woman who points out this misogyny is transphobic and hateful.

Who seem to though, be able to accuse others of misogyny when it suits them.

What, like saying 'OK dear' to someone pointing out the use of dehumanising language for a group of people you don't agree with?