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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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ConversingWithStrangers · 30/12/2024 10:45

The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

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Datun · 03/01/2025 13:09

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 12:47

Another poster said it was homophobic to deny someone's sexual orientation. She is absolutely right. It is absolutely unacceptable to tell a lesbian woman that she is not a lesbian woman.

It is also unacceptable to call trans women who are attracted to women (and participate in lesbian communities) "fucking ridiculous", "creepy", "misogynistic liars".

This is speaking truth to power.

What's unacceptable is to redefine the entire concept of homosexuality.

Dear Lord, have you no idea how homosexual men and women have fought for decades to have their same sex orientation legitimised?

Of course men who are attracted to women, even lesbians, aren't misogynistic. Insisting that lesbians accept them in their dating pool however, is.

lesbians don't do dick.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2025 13:11

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 12:19

@Lostcat you are not achieving anything meaningful here. You are taking established words, ascribing new meanings to them and then calling out anyone objecting as trans/homophobic. This playbook is no longer working.

This. And I think they know that.

Datun · 03/01/2025 13:11

This is speaking truth to power.

Lesbians being kicked off Reddit because they won't accept men as potential sexual partners?

Not just homosexuality being completely redefined, the words truth and power now too!

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:13

Lesbians being kicked off Reddit because they won't accept men as potential sexual partners?

Nobody is being kicked off reddit for their choice of sexual partner. Reddit doesn't screen the sexual partners of their users - or set any rules about who you are required to sleep with or not.

(speaking truth to nonsense).

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 13:18

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:13

Lesbians being kicked off Reddit because they won't accept men as potential sexual partners?

Nobody is being kicked off reddit for their choice of sexual partner. Reddit doesn't screen the sexual partners of their users - or set any rules about who you are required to sleep with or not.

(speaking truth to nonsense).

Edited

Deflection.
Answer the question:where is the evidence that the majority of lesbians agree that sexual orientation now means gender orientation?

Datun · 03/01/2025 13:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2025 13:11

This. And I think they know that.

Totally. It's just a way to wind up women. Untruth to the powerless.

So far, so predictable.

I wouldn't mind but these heterosexual men are even going on gay male websites, to pick up the women who think they're men trying to hook up with men who are gay.

Gender ideology - has no concept of the tin, the words on it, or ever doing anything it describes

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:34

Datun · 03/01/2025 13:21

Totally. It's just a way to wind up women. Untruth to the powerless.

So far, so predictable.

I wouldn't mind but these heterosexual men are even going on gay male websites, to pick up the women who think they're men trying to hook up with men who are gay.

Gender ideology - has no concept of the tin, the words on it, or ever doing anything it describes

Oh we have a new one.

Denying the sexuality/ sexual orientation of trans men who are attracted to men

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2025 13:35

No one is denying that some female people who identify as men are attracted to men. It's often not reciprocated though, as the data I posted showed.

StrongasSixpence · 03/01/2025 13:42

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:34

Oh we have a new one.

Denying the sexuality/ sexual orientation of trans men who are attracted to men

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Go on r/AskGayBros or many other male gay subreddits and you'll find the posters are very clear that they do not consider transmen to be male and will not be shamed into dating them. Posts that say gay men should be attracted to transmen are heavily down voted.

Funnily enough, the posters don't get banned for saying this like lesbians do. Their subreddits are also still populated mainly by gay men and are not 50%+ transmen unlike the population of the lesbian subreddits.

Funny how men can state their sexual attraction and sexuality without being silenced unlike women.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:48

StrongasSixpence · 03/01/2025 13:42

Go on r/AskGayBros or many other male gay subreddits and you'll find the posters are very clear that they do not consider transmen to be male and will not be shamed into dating them. Posts that say gay men should be attracted to transmen are heavily down voted.

Funnily enough, the posters don't get banned for saying this like lesbians do. Their subreddits are also still populated mainly by gay men and are not 50%+ transmen unlike the population of the lesbian subreddits.

Funny how men can state their sexual attraction and sexuality without being silenced unlike women.

It is never acceptable to "shame" anyone for who they do or don't choose to date.

(Non trans) men, in general, are less tolerant/ accepting of trans people than (non-trans) women.

It's absolutely not ok to deny the sexuality and gender of another person, regardless of one's own gender.

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 13:48

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:34

Oh we have a new one.

Denying the sexuality/ sexual orientation of trans men who are attracted to men

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There are trans men attracted to men, of course. But there aren't any gay men attracted to them 🤷‍♀️

And there are definitely men (heterosexual) looking for transmen (women) who are looking for gay men....

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:49

EarlgayTea's comment was undoubtedly transphobic.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:50

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 13:48

There are trans men attracted to men, of course. But there aren't any gay men attracted to them 🤷‍♀️

And there are definitely men (heterosexual) looking for transmen (women) who are looking for gay men....

But there aren't any gay men attracted to them 🤷‍♀️

And we've added - denying the sexuality of (non trans) gay men who are attracted to trans men.

By all means - keep the denial and judgements coming. 🙄

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 13:55

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:50

But there aren't any gay men attracted to them 🤷‍♀️

And we've added - denying the sexuality of (non trans) gay men who are attracted to trans men.

By all means - keep the denial and judgements coming. 🙄

It's not denial and judgement, it's biology and reality.
A transman is a woman, with a vagina (or very very rarely, a vagina turned into a fake penis style appendage) . Gay men are same sex attracted...they are attracted to the SAME SEX, ie other men. Not women.

Stating that gay men are attracted to women(transmen) is denying the reality of homosexuality and is inherently homophobic.

You are homophobic.

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 13:56

So @Lostcat is unable to answer straightforward questions and continues with the attempts at emotional manipulation and word-mangling. Maybe we will never meet a TRA who is able to engage with logic🤔

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:01

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 13:55

It's not denial and judgement, it's biology and reality.
A transman is a woman, with a vagina (or very very rarely, a vagina turned into a fake penis style appendage) . Gay men are same sex attracted...they are attracted to the SAME SEX, ie other men. Not women.

Stating that gay men are attracted to women(transmen) is denying the reality of homosexuality and is inherently homophobic.

You are homophobic.

Edited

some gay men are attracted to trans men.

You are not the arbiter of another person’s sexual attraction/ orientation.

Telling gay people who they are and aren’t attracted to is homophobic (and violent / oppressive).

StrongasSixpence · 03/01/2025 14:02

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:49

EarlgayTea's comment was undoubtedly transphobic.

I think it was direct and blunt but not transphobic. He finds the idea of a transman claiming to be a gay male homophobic and that is a reasonable position, even if you don't agree with it.

There are also undoubtedly transphobic comments in those threads that contain slurs. Interestingly even those comments still stand, haven't been deleted and the posters haven't been banned. That would never happen on a lesbian subreddit. Reddit is built by men for men so men are allowed to talk about their sexuality but lesbians are not.

Datun · 03/01/2025 14:02

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 13:34

Oh we have a new one.

Denying the sexuality/ sexual orientation of trans men who are attracted to men

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Looking forward to all the 'proof' that gay men fancy women.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:05

StrongasSixpence · 03/01/2025 14:02

I think it was direct and blunt but not transphobic. He finds the idea of a transman claiming to be a gay male homophobic and that is a reasonable position, even if you don't agree with it.

There are also undoubtedly transphobic comments in those threads that contain slurs. Interestingly even those comments still stand, haven't been deleted and the posters haven't been banned. That would never happen on a lesbian subreddit. Reddit is built by men for men so men are allowed to talk about their sexuality but lesbians are not.

It’s only a “reasonable position” if you think being transphobic is reasonable. I understand that you and almost everyone on this thread believes that it is indeed reasonable to be transphobic . I do not find transphobia reasonable.

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 14:05

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:01

some gay men are attracted to trans men.

You are not the arbiter of another person’s sexual attraction/ orientation.

Telling gay people who they are and aren’t attracted to is homophobic (and violent / oppressive).

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No they are not. Men attracted to women are by definition not gay.

Telling anyone anything is not violent, FFS.

You need a dictionary. Then come back and apologise for your homophobia.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/01/2025 14:05

@Lostcat

Genuine question - have you considered that there is a difference between words and the things they label?

"Lesbian", "Gay", "Bisexual" and "Straight" are labels for sexualities.

The sexualities they label are "woman attracted exclusively to women", "men attracted exclusively to men", "someone of either sex attracted to both men and women", "someone of either sex only attracted to the opposite sex". These sexualities exist outside the labels and don't change simply because the words may change. If we suddenly decided we wanted to swap around the words "Gay" and "Straight" it would cause a lot of confusion but people wouldn't suddenly wake up and actually fancy the opposite sex to the one they fancied yesterday just because the label was changed!

To "deny the sexuality" of the men (original sex based meaning) who identify as women who are attracted to women would mean saying they are in fact not attracted to women. No one is saying that. No one is saying those men are not attracted to exactly who they say they are. No one is telling them they cannot form meaningful (or indeed meaningless!) relationships with any woman who wholeheartedly consents to it. All anyone is saying is that the name for that sexuality is not "lesbian", it is "straight".

Do you understand the difference? To deny someone's sexuality is to say they are lying or mistaken about who they find attractive. To entirely accept they are truthful about who they find attractive but simply deny that the word they wish to use to label that attraction means what they want it to mean is not at all the same thing.

Now, you may feel the label of "Lesbian" should be used to mean something different, something that means attraction to the mentality of women (whatever that is), something that includes attraction to men (original sex based meaning) if those men are, or believe they are (or say they believe they are) women (new mentality meaning). And sure, argue for that. But don't try to claim that saying no to a change in label is somehow denying a person's sexuality.

FWIW, I have no issue with there being a sexuality that means mutual and exclusive attraction between people of the mentality of women (whatever that is), I just don't think it is reasonable to say this sexuality is somehow the true meaning of the label "Lesbian" when it never was before, and when many women exist whose sexuality is exclusively attracted to women (both in the original sex based meaning), a sexuality which until very recently was called "Lesbian" without any disagreement.

Given many genderists use "Femme-" for gender identities that include some element of the gender mentality of women (whatever that is), "Femmamory" could be a good label under which to recognise this new, emergent sexuality without appropriating "Lesbian" - leaving both groups fully recognised and valid and different. Win-win!

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 14:06

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:05

It’s only a “reasonable position” if you think being transphobic is reasonable. I understand that you and almost everyone on this thread believes that it is indeed reasonable to be transphobic . I do not find transphobia reasonable.

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You find homophobia reasonable though.

You love to spend your time calling everything and everyone transphobic. It's about time your sorted out your own homophobia first, don't you think?

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:09

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 14:05

No they are not. Men attracted to women are by definition not gay.

Telling anyone anything is not violent, FFS.

You need a dictionary. Then come back and apologise for your homophobia.

No they are not. Men attracted to women are by definition not gay

you do not get to define another person’s sexuality. You are not the arbiter of someone else’s sexuality. You have no legitimacy on which to claim that you are, and standing in judgement of someone else’s sexuality is a form of violence.

Datun · 03/01/2025 14:09

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 14:05

It’s only a “reasonable position” if you think being transphobic is reasonable. I understand that you and almost everyone on this thread believes that it is indeed reasonable to be transphobic . I do not find transphobia reasonable.

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Yeah, well. You think homosexuality is transphobic. Go figure.

I think what gets me the most is that you know, absolutely 100%, that sexual orientation is real and no lesbian is going to fancy a man. And no gay man is into women.

But you'll sit here forever denying it. Which many people have been doing for donkeys years, of course.

Many men have denied that lesbianism is a thing. And certainly, homosexuality being illegal was based on denial.

It's just so bloody regressive. equal rights for homosexuals, women, they all get in the bin at the hands of gender idealists.

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